nice poll...
Why does the truth about John Kerry's behavior in the Vietnam Era matter?
He focused on it at the Democratic Convention
He put political ambitions above the safety of soldiers and POWs who remained in Vietnam
He painted an untrue, lasting negative image of Americans who served in Vietnam
His betrayal of Vietnam Veteran
no bias there.
Did the site claim not to be biased?
Besides, any other answer to the poll question would mean his actions didn't matter and are, therefore, immaterial.
Um, bad DID happen at the hands of Americans in Nam. Ever hear of My Lai? That doesn't tarnish all American soldiers, nor did Kerry say that all American's committed war crimes. The bad did happen, though.He painted an untrue, lasting negative image of Americans who served in Vietnam
Kerry clearly accused the commission and knowledge of war crimes to be widespread throughout the US military.
He was a very effective propagandist for the North Vietnamese. If it does prove to be true that he met with VietCong representatives in Paris, well it will be interesting to hear the spin...
Exstatic, would you like to consider this little statement:
"....Consider, for example, a four-day VVAW rally held in September 1970 called Operation Rapid American Withdrawal. Mr. Kerry was a co-sponsor as well as a speaker at the event. His official biographer, Douglas Brinkley, describes Operation RAW in his book, "Tour of Duty," in this way: "The idea behind Operation RAW was for Vietnam vets to march eighty-six miles between Revolutionary War sites — Morristown, New Jersey, and Valley Forge, Pennsylvania — engaging in guerrilla theater along the way."
On the surface, this is correct, but Mr. Brinkley conveniently leaves out an important detail. While the vets staged mock "invasions" in certain towns along their route, they left behind leaflets that read: "A U.S. Infantry Company just Came Through Here! If you had been a Vietnamese — We might have burned your house; We might have shot your dog; We might have shot you...; We might have raped your wife and daughter; We might have turned you over to your government for torture; We might have taken souvenirs from your property; We might have shot things up a bit...; We might have done ALL these things to you and your whole TOWN! If it doesn't bother you that American soldiers do these things every day to the Vietnamese simply because they are 'Gooks,' ......."
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Please note: "American soldiers do these things every day.."
Kerry is was an ass hole and still is an ass hole, if it looks like
one, act's like one, then he must be one....
What about the fact that Kerry attended a meeting of the VVAW where they seriously discussed the assassination of sitting U.S. elected and public officials?
Yeah, I know he voted against the proposal. But, did he report the crime?
But did he vote for it, before he voted against it? That is
the question....:wacko
Kerry has denied he war there, and claims otherwise are conspiratorial.What about the fact that Kerry attended a meeting of the VVAW where they seriously discussed the assassination of sitting U.S. elected and public officials?
Kerry said he was in Cambodia on Xmas day 1968 and Richard Nixon was president.
Try again.
Sorry, the FBI is at odds with Kerry's recollection."Kerry has denied he war there, and claims otherwise are conspiratorial."
You know, Google is a real bummer for liars.
Worldnetdaily and The english-version, Neocon controlled telegraph? You can provide better propaganda sources than that Yoni. Your just not trying anymore.
Boston.comThe assassination plot was suggested by antiwar activist Scott Camil. Camil and Kerry knew each other well; the two were together during the April 1971 protests on the Mall in Washington. In a telephone interview from his Florida home, Camil confirmed historical reports that he had suggested a vague plot aimed at prowar senators, but he said he has no recollection of seeing Kerry at the meeting.
"He had nothing to do with this," Camil said. "I don't remember seeing him there."
Another person at the Kansas City session, Larry Rottmann, also said he does not remember seeing Kerry there. A third key player, Randy Barnes, who headed the Kansas City chapter that hosted the meeting, has been quoted in the media as saying Kerry was there. But in a telephone interview, Barnes said he may have confused that session with an earlier one in St. Louis and now is unsure whether Kerry attended the Kansas City function.
"Quite honestly, I am not absolutely certain that John Kerry was at that meeting," Barnes said about the Kansas City session. "A meeting occurred in St. Louis and one occurred in Kansas City. I thought the Kansas City meeting was first."
But Barnes said he now realizes that "the St. Louis meeting was first. What I had thought was a certain thing, I am absolutely not sure now."
In any case, Barnes said, the plot suggested by Camil was never taken seriously and was quickly shouted down. As for Kerry, Barnes said, "John constantly gave an impassioned plea to be nonviolent, work within the system."
Many members of the organization agreed with Barnes that Kerry sought to moderate the group and that he quit the organization in 1971 when he could not come to terms with some of the more radical members the group.
Nicosia's history of the antiwar movement, "Home to War," says that Kerry resigned from Vietnam Veterans Against the War at a St. Louis meeting in July 1971 after a shouting match with another member. That reinforced the belief that Kerry was not in Kansas City in November 1971.
But two weeks ago, Nicosia said he examined some FBI reports that he had obtained during research for his book but had not reviewed. One report said Kerry was at the November meeting in Kansas City. The report, from an unnamed confidential source, said "John Kerry, a national VVAW leader, appeared at the meeting and announced to those present he was resigning from the executive committee for personal reasons; however, he would be available to speak for VVAW." The report does not mention discussion of a plot to kill senators; instead, it mentions that the group planned activities such as "a fast, a vigil, and guerrilla theater."
But another FBI report from the same period adds that an informant at the Kansas City meeting heard a "vastly more militant posture," prompting an FBI official to add this cautionary note: "Some information reports by various informants is at variance and considering extreme importance of developments in this matter and intense interest of other government agencies, it is essential that full details of meeting be ascertained accurately and immediately."The reports indicate that the FBI information about Kerry came not from FBI agents but from informants who fed information to the government. Thus, the reliability of the reports is difficult to verify.
So we can't trust government records from 30 years ago when they are bad for Kerry but we can trust such records when they are bad for Bush?
Everything makes sense now.
At least kerry didn't go back and "allegedly" falsify records to cover his ass.
Why would he falsify records to say something that would harm him? That's dumb.
So, you agree, the government records sourced in the links I posted aren't falsified? You can kill the messenger but, when they report facts...that's hard to squash.
But, talking about falsified records, why are the three different OFFICIAL narratives on Kerry's Silver Star award? More pointedly, why does the author of one (Secretary Lehman) not recall writing, or even seeing, what he supposedly wrote?
So? That still doesn't mean that ALL American soldiers did those things, which is what that spin-happy quote implied that Kerry said."American soldiers do these things every day.."
Take off your ing rose-colored glasses. Americans did bad over there, and yes, it probably happened damn near every day. There were 500,000 Americans in country at times, and if even 1% were bad apples, that's 5,000 creeps armed with M-16s, RPGs, and other assortied goodies.
Huey waist gunner: "Anyone who runs is a VC."
Huey waist gunner: "Anyone who doesn't run is a well disciplined VC"
Joker: "You shoot women and chidren?"
Huey waist gunner: "Sometimes..."
Joker: "How can you shoot women and children?"
Huey waist gunner: "It's easy. You just don't lead them so much..."
Not all but he certainly painted a picture of rampant war crime ac ivity being committed in SE Asia with the full knowledge of "all chains of command".
Oh how funny! Did you make that up yourself?"Huey waist gunner: "Anyone who runs is a VC."
Huey waist gunner: "Anyone who doesn't run is a well disciplined VC"
Joker: "You shoot women and chidren?"
Huey waist gunner: "Sometimes..."
Joker: "How can you shoot women and children?"
Huey waist gunner: "It's easy. You just don't lead them so much..."
Never saw Full Metal Jacket, eh Yoni?
Full Metal Jacket was a great movie.
A man without honor is no man.
Full Metal Jacket......now that is a great source of
"meanful" information.........go to the movies and leave
the adults to talk!
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