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This is not a post bashing Manu or anything like that. I think he's a great player and a standup guy. Just curious on Spurs fans objective opinion on this. Manu: "It’s going to be very hard to determine,” he said. “Many times, it’s an exaggeration of contact. That’s not a flop. A flop is when there is not contact and not a foul. So we’ll see how they explain it and how it works.”
Wait a minute...an exaggeration of contact is not a flop??!!
What do you guys think...is exaggeration of contact a flop? I would say it definitely is, under some cir stances. I strongly disagree with the idea that a flop only occurs on no-contact plays. In my opinion, if the player's reaction to the contact is above and beyond what is reasonably possible, it's a flop. If I, at 160 lbs, put an arm to Blake Griffin on a boxout and he falls to the floor, that's a flop.
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The question is: was there a foul or not? If it was a foul, exaggeration or not shouldn't matter.
Not that it matters anyways, the star calls and non-calls still rule the league.
Manu is a smart man and knows that this rule will only cause further controversy. Wait for the first guy that gets penalized for flopping after being clearly fouled and see what happens. Then there's also the fact of seeing if the refs will judge flopping on offense the same way as flopping on defense. What about verbal flopping? I don't know, this just seems like a very hard rule to implement.
Regarding the contact/non contact issue: There are many times where a defensive player gets charged but the contact is not enough for him to go down but still do it to sell the foul. He goes down on his own but it's still a foul. What would you do: call the foul and the flop? It would be a little weird.
Nothing is gonna happen other than der Fürher Stern handing down million dollar fines to whoever dares speak against a ref...
I don't know about the offensive foul situation. I'm fairly against these charges guys are taking where they seem to slide under the offensive player at the last split second. I don't see any of these as being called a flop though with this new policy. I'm not saying there's no acting going on, but by my definition of a flop, the charge at least falls under the reasonable category. I mean, a 225 lb guy running at a pretty good clip and coming into contact with a stationary player could reasonably cause them to be knocked back, if not fall to the ground. Contrast that with (again) me putting a hand to Blake Griffin and him falling on the floor - completely unreasonable.
Well, I think Manu was talking about the charge situation 'cause that's what affects him the most. Manu is known for getting the contact but still sell the foul to make sure the ref calls it.
Maybe. However, he did say "a flop is when there is not contact and not a foul". I strongly disagree with that statement. It made it sound as if he believed that one could "flop" all they wanted to as long as there was some sort of contact.
good argument!!!
If Manu's as great as you all say he is then he'll stop playing like a c.unt and learn to adapt.
A foul is a foul is a foul.
Well, Manu is a very smart player but to me he is a flopper. I say this in the best possible way, he tends to exaggerate contact which has given him lots of call for him. And that quote there is what defines him as a flopper. Exaggerate contact, is flopping. You can't exaggerate without acting. Maybe there are plays that are worth selling because they're actual fouls agains him and without selling they wont' be called but they're still to me flops. And I repeat to me that flopping is another aspect of his smarts on the court. But that comes all the way from FIBA.
I'm no homer but he's right, if there's contact than there's a foul, the exageration just puts the ref in a difficult position.
'N Fitzp with the staying strong in the pocket, stepping up and delivering a strike to Stevie Johnson goods per par lamborghini mercy etc
Manu flops harder than mono flip flops after the tables turn i saidddd
AFAIK the rules dont say a damn thing about weight, rather about timing, being set / not set, and what the offensive player was doing. I agree, that if a player has already picked up his dribble and is taking his 2nd step, the defender that slides in shouldn't get the call. But weight has nothing to do with it, if say tony parker charged into tyson chandler- regardless if parker took the worst of it and chandler didnt move, or if chandler fell down to make sure the refs noticed he was pushed- what matters is that chandler was in position before parker made his move therefore its a foul.
bottomline, if superstar calls still exist does it really matter if they retroactively call flops? Like when fisher got away with fouling barry in the 08 WCF and the league said afterwards it made a mistake, what does it fix? and does it matter if blake and neal get fined post game for a flop if all game long kobe and duncan are getting touch fouls?
“Many times, it’s an exaggeration of contact. That’s not a flop."
it's not?
Lulz. Manu's definitely nervous, and his word choice was wrong, but he's correct in saying that this seems to be a rule w/ entirely too large a gray area.
in the past years you couldn't even breathe at the floppers and now you can with the new rules enforced, i think that makes quite a difference
Son, how would you react about Harden's reaction to the flopping rules...
There is no answer to this but to wait and see what happens as DAF86 said.
this new rule won't do !!! I think I read the NBA doesn't intend to humiliate/disclose to media flopping fines to players, and the fines are pretty ing low... wtf is $5,000 to an NBA star?
My stance on flopping though is I hate it, all exaggerated contact and non-contact flops should count imo. Everything about acting on a court or field goes against my way of playing sports and I hate seeing it. I wouldn't mind if they drastically increased the fines for flopping and being a pussy. Flopping on defense and trying to draw fouls on offense are not natural, it only happens in professional games, obviously the results matter. Not the way the game should be played, and all BS like that should be penalized.
Just another tool the zebras could use in a pivotal playoff game to make sure darling teams get an advantage.
You think every instance of player contact in an NBA game should be a foul? , the game would never end. Surely that's not what you meant. Please correct me. Basketball is not a no-contact sport.
The refs don't judge flopping. It's all done after the game by the league. The way the refs officiate should not have to change.
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