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Very interesting. But if Memphis was to move a 3 would they move Posey? Also, Battier seems like a far more likely Spurs target and I believe there is some connection with TD (they shared Babby as their agent, I thought).
San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Radoslav Nesterovic
7-0 C from Slovenia
5.9 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Incoming
James Posey
6-8 SF from Xavier
8.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +2.2 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and +0.8 apg.
Successful Scenario. Due to San Antonio and Memphis being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio and Memphis had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
The Trade ID for this scenario is 2442336.
The raison d'etre for this trade is the following:
James Posey's size (6-8) and athleticism fills exactly one of the most glaring Spurs' needs at SF. He may have some at ude problems, but he may also be a suitable replacement for Bowen in the long term. He has 2 more years in his current contract (slightly cheaper than Rasho's), so in the worst case scenario, if he doesn't work out, the Spurs can look elsewhere when he comes off the books.
Rasho is a very serviceable backup center, and he could backup Lorenzen Wright. The Grizzles are a little thin up front, and they are not convinced on Jake Tsakalidis in the long term. They need another capable center with D skills to complement Pau Gasol in the frontline, and Rasho fills that need. The Grizzles also have a plethora of SFs, including Mike Miller and Shane Battier, so they might be willing to depart with Posey.
I don't think this can realistically happen, mainly because of Pop's love for Rasho. However, Peter Holt may put some pressure to get rid of Rasho's contract if he will not be our starting center, in particular after extending Nazr. Posey's contract is a little smaller and shorter. The Spurs still would need to find a suitable backup center, even if Scola joins this Summer.
What do you guys think? Is this doable and/or realistic? If it is, would you pull the trigger?
Very interesting. But if Memphis was to move a 3 would they move Posey? Also, Battier seems like a far more likely Spurs target and I believe there is some connection with TD (they shared Babby as their agent, I thought).
Why someone will trade a C for SF and then be without real C???
That's the problem. As long as Nazr's future in SA is uncertain it would be hard to justify moving Rasho.
Battier's deal is long but pretty cheap. You know, he wouldn't be a bad fit in SA.
Team player, not a cracksmoker, good J, good defensive skills, etc...
yeah i'd keep rasho unless something comes along you cant pass up
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The salaries don't match, so there should be more bodies to make this trade successful. I preferred Posey because I consider him a better defensive player than Battier, and he may be a suitable defensive stopper in the long run. His contract is shorter as well, so there is less risk if he doesn't work out for the Spurs.
I agree with you that the Grizzles may not want to depart with Posey, mainly because he is one of Jerry West projects. Nevertheless, Posey may have burnt some bridges with his relationship with the coaching staff.
I am not completely convinced of this trade as well, mainly because it is difficult to get quality centers, even back up ones. This trade also assumes that the FO is convinced that Nazr is suitable a long term investment for the center position.
The Grizzlies seem like a good target if the Spurs were looking to offload Rasho.
Any combination of players that included the Spurs receiving Battier or Posey would be favourable to the Spurs if they decide they prefer Nazr over Rasho longtime.
Should be interesting to see what happens.
I agree with RVB. First of all, Battier for Nesterovic doesn't work under the CBA, so Memphis would have to include more people, which I don't expect them to do.
Second, I'm not sure Posey is that promising in return for Rasho. It would be better to have a legitimate, if generally uninspiring, backup center on the bench than a somewhat talented SF with potential at ude problems, especially given an uncertain status with Nazr.
At the moment I see few appealing trade scenarios for Rasho.
Honestly, I'd prefer to see the Spurs keep some real bigman depth. TD's managed to miss 29 games over the last two seasons. Mohammed was injury plagued during the early part of his career. Horry is getting long in the tooth, no matter how ageless he looked in this year's postseason.
I'd say right now that the Spurs can be somewhat picky with potential trades for a 3. Sure, if a great deal comes along they should take it, but I think they can make it a go with the current rotation and without a true prototypical backup 3.
To make a Rasho for Battier deal work, Memphis could send back Jake. Not that much of a stretch.
If Tim goes down the Spurs would still likely have Nazr, Horry, Scola and FA Big (TMass, KWill type). That will suffice for stretches of games in the regular season. You don't make moves based on potential player injuries.Honestly, I'd prefer to see the Spurs keep some real bigman depth. TD's managed to miss 29 games over the last two seasons. Mohammed was injury plagued during the early part of his career. Horry is getting long in the tooth, no matter how ageless he looked in this year's postseason.
I think you do, as least with regards to keeping TD and Horry's minutes down in the regular season in order to keep them from getting burned out. Recall how burned out Horry was in the '03 playoffs after he averaged 29.3 minutes a game in the regular season.
In the recently concluded season his regular season average was 18.6 minutes per contest.
True. I didn't think it was 29mpg, are you sure? Feels like a lot more than I can remember, but then again, I've tried to delete that season from my memory. He wasn't burned out in the first round though, so I am not sure how much effect heavy minutes had on his performance vs LA, but it is possible that it did effect him seriously, because there is a precedent for it when he was with the Lakers.Recall how burned out Horry was in the '03 playoffs after he averaged 29.3 minutes a game in the regular season.
I think Tim will be able to handle a few more minutes this next season. No international duties, time to rest those moneymaking ankles and he should be a lot more spritely and energetic than the latter part of this year. If Scola is as good as advertised, he should be able to play some largish minutes if need be, and with Nazr, Horry and T-Mass (for arguments sake), I think that would be enough. Regardless, I will not be angry if Rasho is kept around and the Spurs decide to develop The Third into the long SF they want/need.
Also, quality bigmen are always a nice potential trade asset. Given the uncertainty with Mohammed and Scola this summer the Spurs need to and can afford to wait.
IF the Spurs decide to extend Nazr and come to an acceptable deal with his agent, then this seems like a pretty interesting scenario:
Rasho to Memphis for Battier & fodder or for Posey
Sign Oberto as the backup C
Lineup would then be:
PG Parker, Udrih
SG Ginobili, Barry
SF Bowen, Battier or Posey
PF Duncan, Scola
C Mohammed, Oberto
with LJIII, Devin, Horry, Marks, TMass still in the mix/ TBD.
I honestly don't know if Memphis would give up either of those guys, though. As stated above, West might be too attached to Posey; and Battier is good locker room glue.
The 29.3 minute average was for his last season with the Lakers.
James Sucks and has an at ude from .
If the Spurs could sign Oberto this summer and bring Scola in that would change the scenario, no doubt.
I think slovenian fans should keep in their minds that Rasho could be up for grabs for any other team... The Spurs are a winning team, and Rasho didn't help much in the playoffs...
Expect a trade...
:P
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.The 29.3 minute average was for his last season with the Lakers.
I thought you were talking about the 03-04 playoffs with the Spurs. His minutes were limited in that season too, and he struggled in the 2nd round.
Honestly, I think the Spurs will hold on to Rasho. Pop loves him, and he still has a shot at starting center in my opinion.
Yea and why?? Ask pop and who was first starting center in the team for almost 2 seasons and they have a record. I tink that you just think too much of Nazr becouse of this playoffs and think that he is God. Yes trde him emidiatley and bring Scola and Oberto the 2 guys who did not prove anything in NBA ........ risk might be good or very bad
if by expect you mean seriously doubt a trade then i agree 100%
The one difference is that in that series he had to go up against a Shaq-Malone frontcourt. Horry was awesome in the 1st round against the Grizzlies last year, but leaning on Shaq wore him down.
Props to Pop for not using Malik in that series.
When you look back at this past season, the Spurs played their best ball with Rasho as the starting center. Through the All-Star break they were on pace to shatter the point differential record. They were beating teams by like 13 pts per game. So that shows how they can play with Rasho as the starting Ctr. I would like the Spurs to go into camp with Rash and Nazr fighting for a position. If one seperates himself then see what you can get for the other. If Rasho wins it, we could get something good for Nazr. A championship ctr with an expiring contract.
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