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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...n-us-citizens/
Whereas previously the law prohibited the center from storing data compilations on U.S. citizens unless they were suspected of terrorist activity or were relevant to an ongoing terrorism investigation, the new powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for su ious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could launch an investigation.
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“The guidelines provide rigorous oversight to protect the information that we have, for authorized and narrow purposes,” Alexander Joel, Civil Liberties Protection Officer for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,
Hey Joel, you're HILARIUOS!
GFY!
And how long will you keep my post?
everybody should know the FBI/CIA/DHS's web crawlers crawl any and every "politics" forum.
the drawbacks of having the state keep us safe are rather obvious. still, it's clear Americans are perfectly willing to compromise their privacy and their liberty in exchange for the mere promise -- the illusion, in fact -- of security.
I think most Americans believe their unelected government officials' were already able to do this.
corporations "storing data compilations on U.S. citizens" and nobody complains?
Honest question, what do you expect people to do?
Seriously. The banks defrauded the US taxpayer of trillions of dollars. No one died or was killed. No one was punished, no one convicted. Honestly, outside this message board and the Occupy movement, I didnt see anyone care much, if at all.
Face it, your expectations or your perception of people is flawed to its very core. It isnt that nobody cares or that they dont complain, its that the VAST majority dont even know or care because it might interrupt their fantasy football schedule or the American Idol finale. Get over it, man. The days and minds you appeal to are either gone or never were to begin with. I personally think its the latter.
thanks for making my case: America is ed and un able.
do you believe so? I don't.
No, thats a much too limited diagnosis.
Humanity is ed and un able. A Star Trek world of no currency and personal betterment as the driving goals are ing pipe dreams, here in America or anywhere else. The entirety of everything you would characterize as civilization was built on the framework you decry today. Money, wealth, education, the elite, power, structure, order, laws, rights and punishment...all fruits of historical labor.
What you seem to want is unattainable by even the most kind description of the human condition. Youd be better off just calling yourself a died blue misanthrope and be done with it. Stop trying to demonize one side or the other and just wholly embrace the murderous rage you have for all structures of power.
There is nothing wrong with being an Anarchist, but for 's sake, just say it already instead of cheering for Team Blue.
I think he owns it now.
I don't think you make for a good medium of the average American. For one, I'm assuming you vote. You spend a far larger amount of time reading articles than most. You use latin. And you know who and what the old right is.
with respect, I asked you. do you believe the national security state keeps you safe and secure?
if so, why?
without any doubt, Obama owns it now.
The "Bushification" was 100% complete from the get-go. Obama is the compassionate conservative that W tried to be.
What do you mean by national security state? Like foreign policy wise?
Tomgram: Engelhardt, Supersizing Secrecy
Time Machines and Shadow Worlds
By 1964, the “U.S. Intelligence Community,” or IC, had nine members, including the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and the National Security Agency (NSA). As Wise and Ross portrayed it, the IC was already a labyrinthine set of secret outfits with growing power. It was capable of launching covert actions worldwide, with a “broad spectrum of domestic operations,” the ability to overthrow foreign governments, some involvement in shaping presidential campaigns, and the capacity to plan operations without the knowledge of Congress or full presidential control. “No outsider,” they concluded, “can tell whether this activity is necessary or even legal. No outsider is in a position to determine whether or not, in time, these activities might become an internal danger to a free society.”
The first thing they might notice is that the Intelligence Community of 2012 with 17 official outfits has, by the simplest of calculations, almost doubled. The real size and power of that secret world, however, has in every imaginable way grown staggeringly larger than that. Take one outfit, now part of the IC, that didn’t exist back in 1964, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. With an annual budget of close to $5 billion, it recently built a gigantic $1.8 billion headquarters -- “the third-largest structure in the Washington area, nearly rivaling the Pentagon in size” -- for its 16,000 employees.
Or consider an outfit that did exist then: the National Security Agency, or NSA (once known jokingly as “no such agency” because of its deep cover). Like its geospatial cousin, it has been in a period of explosive growth, budgetary and otherwise, capped off by the construction of a “heavily fortified” $2 billion data center in Bluffdale, Utah. According to NSA expert James Bamford, when finished in 2013 that center will “intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks.”
Or take the Defense Intelligence Agency, which came into existence in 1961 and became operational only the year their book came out. Almost half a century ago, as Wise and Ross told their readers, it had 2,500 employees and a relatively modest set of assigned tasks. By the end of the Cold War, it had 7,500 employees. Two decades later, another tale of explosive growth: the DIA has 16,000 employees.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1756...izing_secrecy/
And these Keystone Kops all missed the collapse of the Soviet Union AND 9/11.
But they all have extremely "secure" jobs and benifits, and revolving-door into even more lucrative MIC jobs and benefits.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-18-2012 at 10:29 AM.
I more had in mind the anic growth of domestic surveillance since 9/11, but defense and intelligence bureaucracies figure into that too. Surveillance, security and defense walk hand in hand in hand.
Yeah I agree. I think if they are doing it right can keep us safer. I just don't think the safety is worth the molestation of our cons utional rights.
what assurances do you have that they are doing it right, or conversely, that your cons utional rights are not being trampled?
Oh I'm not. I'm almost positive they aren't. But that has more to do with my perception of the federal government as a whole.
The fact that a street gang like MS13 can infiltrate our society like they have and we have not been able to stop it shows that not only are they trampling on our rights but doing it wrong in the process.
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