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Not surprising at all... since corporate lobbyist run the government....take the money out of government and give the people back the power...
FBI Do ents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring
FBI do ents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) pursuant to the PCJF’s Freedom of Information Act demands reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat even though the agency acknowledges in do ents that organizers explicitly called for peaceful protest and did “not condone the use of violence” at occupy protests.
The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted do ents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country.
Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF): “These do ents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity. These do ents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America.”
As early as August 19, 2011, the FBI in New York was meeting with the New York Stock Exchange to discuss the Occupy Wall Street protests that wouldn’t start for another month. By September, prior to the start of the OWS, the FBI was notifying businesses that they might be the focus of an OWS protest.
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Not surprising at all... since corporate lobbyist run the government....take the money out of government and give the people back the power...
Makes sense to me.FBI do ents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) pursuant to the PCJF’s Freedom of Information Act demands reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat even though the agency acknowledges in do ents that organizers explicitly called for peaceful protest and did “not condone the use of violence” at occupy protests.
Good for them.The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted do ents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country.
I disagree with that. It is a known fact that when you have a large organized protest, elements outside of those who were invited to protest bend in with the crowd with their own agenda.Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF): “These do ents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity. These do ents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America.”
I'm OK with this level of concern.As early as August 19, 2011, the FBI in New York was meeting with the New York Stock Exchange to discuss the Occupy Wall Street protests that wouldn’t start for another month. By September, prior to the start of the OWS, the FBI was notifying businesses that they might be the focus of an OWS protest.
Why does it seen unreasonable?
right to pe ion?
for there to be an investigation, there should be some particularized cause. that's the tradition, anyway.
You don't believe in taking precaution? Why have any law enforcement around anyway then, if it's stated to be a peaceful protest. Are you against that too?
in any mass rally, there are legitimate public safety issues -- well short of presuming the protesters to be terrorists and mass murderers.
I don't know why anyone would expect anything different barring a complete overhaul of FBI methodology.
presuming they are, or might be, is contrary to the legitimate, cons utionally spelled out right of citizens to pe ion their government for a redress of grievances. also, manifestly political speech is expressly protected in the Consitution -- not that WC would particularly care.
Extending your logic, shouldn't there be more safety concerns when something so large and nationally is organized?
Did the FBI do anything wrong?
Board conservatives trust our government to get LE and military force right, but nothing else. That's what I don't get.
Not seeing it. Paranoia might be self-justifying but that doesn't make it legally justified.
There you go again...
well, aren't you the one taking up for the FBI?
I am only saying it is understandable to look for terrorists among such large crowds.
and therefore, to investigate private citizens, without any particularized cause. I know where you are on this WC -- you want Leviathan to have the edge on everything.
even where it has no business at all . . .
How were they investigating private citizens? Looks like to me they used public information. Now I only read about half the article, but I didn't see anything that screamed out as violating any rights.
Example please. It is possible I missed something.
True to historical form, WC:
1. always sides with the ins ution/govt over individuals.
2. who don't share his blind ideology have no rights.
You most certainly forget so many things. Is that by stupidity, or design?
They went past pe ion and demonstating when they started living there.
With all the crimes they were doing, I could see why the FBI would do that.
"With all the crimes they were doing"
crimes? meaning resisting police brutality and unnecessary force, pepper spraying?
the vast majority of the violence and "crimes" were initiated by the police, and a only tiny fraction of OWS reacted violently, so for the police that justifies raping the privacy of every OWS member and communication.
America is a ing technocratic police state, where even podunkville police forces are fully militarized. There is no more reasonable expectation of privacy or right to assemble.
and that's just the govt. The corporations are all over, and into, our asses, including our kids, here's only one of many examples:
Sneaky Apps That Track Cellphones
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/24/op...sers.html?_r=0
Apparently the investigation predates the protests... Even if you entertain the possibility that criminal activity was conducted, this seemingly predates it. The real question this kind of LE activity raises is: do 'thought crimes' warrant an investigation? If so, how far should it go considering no crime has actually been committed?
I didn't see that. Unless there were some of the people who organized this were under fbi investigation, this is another abuse of the FBI. Thought crimes, such as the planning phase of a crime? What do you think is too far?
FTR there were well over 100 arrests (for non-traffic ticket offenses) from all the groups throughout the country.
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