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    A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths Max Fisher, The Atlantic
    In part by forbidding almost all forms of firearm ownership, Japan has as few as two gun-related homicides a year.

    What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.

    Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it's not easy to do.

    To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with do entation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

    Of course, Japan and the U.S. are separated by a number of cultural and historical difference much wider than their gun policies. Kopel explains that, for whatever reason, Japanese tend to be more tolerant of the broad search and seizure police powers necessary to enforce the ban. "Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police," he writes.
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    The observation about the US and Japan having different tolerance levels regarding police powers rings a bit hollow given our affection the Surveillance state, which I don't believe was on the table at all during the last Presidential election.
    Americans are apparently OK with Big Government spying on them, warrantless wiretaps, The Patriot Act etc, but don't even think about touching our precious guns.

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    Japanese voluntarily submit to government authority. It has been ingrained in them to do so. Americans are just the opposite, our core beliefs are that government cannot be trusted. Many of our rights are freedoms from the government. Even the concept of separation of church and state was originally meant to free the church's affairs from the state, not the opposite.

    No, we are not subjects.

    lol Thailand, new cons ution every 5 years.

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    People are fine with government surveillance as long as it doesn't directly affect them. There would be an uproar if police were allowed to inspect homes.

    also, Japan is a very strange country... Like strangers meeting up to commit suicide together. America has the few odd occurrences but its not very prevalent.

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    People are fine with government surveillance as long as it doesn't directly affect them. There would be an uproar if police were allowed to inspect homes.
    As I understand the article, the police inspections apply to gun owners only, to insure that the guns are properly & safely stored. In other words, it's part of the deal if you want to own a gun. I don't think it's the case that police randomly inspect homes.
    Whatever the case may be, it doesn't sound nearly as egregious an abuse of liberty as warrant-less wiretaps & the Patriot Act IMO. The long term potential is much worse. It's going to be very hard politically to reverse/contain these things.

    also, Japan is a very strange country... Like strangers meeting up to commit suicide together. America has the few odd occurrences but its not very prevalent.
    Just about everywhere is strange from the limited viewpoint of American exceptionalism - especially with regard to gun control.

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    As I understand the article, the police inspections apply to gun owners only, to insure that the guns are properly & safely stored. In other words, it's part of the deal if you want to own a gun. I don't think it's the case that police randomly inspect homes.
    Whatever the case may be, it doesn't sound nearly as egregious an abuse of liberty as warrant-less wiretaps & the Patriot Act IMO. The long term potential is much worse. It's going to be very hard politically to reverse/contain these things.


    Just about everywhere is strange from the limited viewpoint of American exceptionalism - especially with regard to gun control.
    LMAO

    No such as someone owning a gun that's not registered... only inspects those who followed proper procedure to get a gun.

    That's uber effective.

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    The US is about as culturally naive as it gets.

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    The US is about as culturally naive as it gets.
    Which is why you love this place so much you refuse to move to a better one.

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    I'm pretty sure Japanese Americans don't commit much gun violence here either.

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    americans don't have no such high level of self discipline like the japs and it's not even close tbh. sorry to say that but americans are more similar to them s in terms of personalities and life at udes, the commie law would work out fine in the US but i guess you don't wanna lose the freedom that you take for granted in the US

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    it's alot easier to control people when it's an island

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    Guns have been regulated here from the very beginning, and haven't been eliminated yet.

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    They never will be. More regulation does not mean they will be either.

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    Just about everywhere is strange from the limited viewpoint of American exceptionalism - especially with regard to gun control.
    While true to an extent, I have travelled to other countries, and I do read global news from time to time, as well as hearing a few stories from coworkers stationed there. There are definitely a few things which make Japan unique, and yes, weird. I'm sure others think the same of America. But Japan has to be near the top of countries whose citizens are constantly pressured into always maintaining respectability, being successful, etc etc.

    If there's one thing that America breeds, it would seem to be survivability. I don't think the whole "kill yourself for your God" thing would go over well here, nor would the "kill yourself because you disrespected your boss/parents" thing either.

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    As I understand the article, the police inspections apply to gun owners only, to insure that the guns are properly & safely stored. In other words, it's part of the deal if you want to own a gun. I don't think it's the case that police randomly inspect homes.
    Gun owners would throw a fit about that. Just look at the fit they're having NOW, when nothing even semi-concrete has been discussed.

    Whatever the case may be, it doesn't sound nearly as egregious an abuse of liberty as warrant-less wiretaps & the Patriot Act IMO. The long term potential is much worse. It's going to be very hard politically to reverse/contain these things.
    Agreed, and I'm certainly no fan of those. But by and large, unless it's personally affecting them (like having someone enter their home), most Americans won't care.

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    The US is about as culturally naive as it gets.
    Eh, I don't think that's really the "fault" of the US. First off, the US is probably the biggest exporter of "culture" in the world through Hollywood, music, etc etc, so it makes sense that other countries would know about us. Second, we're rather insular, in the sense that we only border two countries. Finally, America itself is huge, and has various different cultures to it. There's not many cultures that are singular to America.

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    Which is why you love this place so much you refuse to move to a better one.
    /yawn

    Perhaps when you do not like a situation or think another place does it better you just give up and leave but I don't. I try to make my home the better place. American exceptionalism is an illusion.

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    Eh, I don't think that's really the "fault" of the US. First off, the US is probably the biggest exporter of "culture" in the world through Hollywood, music, etc etc, so it makes sense that other countries would know about us. Second, we're rather insular, in the sense that we only border two countries. Finally, America itself is huge, and has various different cultures to it. There's not many cultures that are singular to America.
    I am not applying fault but the perception especially within a certain demographic is pretty glaring. White man's burden still has a lot of traction in this country.

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    I am not applying fault but the perception especially within a certain demographic is pretty glaring. White man's burden still has a lot of traction in this country.

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    /yawn

    Perhaps when you do not like a situation or think another place does it better you just give up and leave but I don't. I try to make my home the better place. American exceptionalism is an illusion.
    You are for a gun ban, isn't that right? You are ok with the military and federal government having guns, isn't that right? You want to do away with the 2nd Amendment, isn't that right? You stand against almost everything this country was founded on. Yes, you should catch the first plane out.

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    Which is why you love this place so much you refuse to move to a better one.
    Love It Or Leave It. Same old ignorant bull

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    Love It Or Leave It. Same old ignorant bull
    Lib take:

    Patriotism: bull
    2nd Amendment: bull
    Religion: Bull
    Nationalism: Bull
    The Nation: Worst in the world
    The president: Worthless piece of
    the people: fat, lazy en led uneducated idiots
    the goal: be like some other country

    Ignorant is not leaving the place, the people and the system you despise when the grass is greener over there.

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    You are for a gun ban, isn't that right? You are ok with the military and federal government having guns, isn't that right? You want to do away with the 2nd Amendment, isn't that right? You stand against almost everything this country was founded on. Yes, you should catch the first plane out.
    You appear to have serious issues with comprehension. I am barely paying attention and can give you a more accurate depiction of his stance on gun control. ing read what people say or don't respond.

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    You appear to have serious issues with comprehension. I am barely paying attention and can give you a more accurate depiction of his stance on gun control. ing read what people say or don't respond.
    He has blinders on and doesn't see anything but what he wants to see.

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    Lib take:

    Patriotism: bull
    2nd Amendment: bull
    Religion: Bull
    Nationalism: Bull
    The Nation: Worst in the world
    The president: Worthless piece of
    the people: fat, lazy en led uneducated idiots
    the goal: be like some other country

    Ignorant is not leaving the place, the people and the system you despise when the grass is greener over there.
    Love or Leave It. Same of right-wing, self-proclaimed "super patriot", ignorant bull .

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    You appear to have serious issues with comprehension. I am barely paying attention and can give you a more accurate depiction of his stance on gun control. ing read what people say or don't respond.
    Not that your sucker deserves any attention other than a toothbrush, but it's near Christmas so I feel generous:

    1. he's been harping on the gun bans of other nations and has called for a ban on certain types of guns here. that settles the 1st.
    2. he's not called for military or government to be under a gun ban, that settles 2
    3. he's scoffed at the 2nd Amendment as being antiquated. that settles 3

    It's cute to watch libs try to wrestle with the fact that they've exposed themselves as socialists, as they attempt to find some plausible deniability to every statement they make on here. It's also cute how buddy libs come to their rescue.

    lol lacking the courage of conviction

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