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so this one move improves the defense of the whole team enough to win a ring?
I want ot know what D'Antoni has been smokin casue thats some gooood sheeeeiiiiit.
Ok the deal is done and finalized. The gist of the trade is Q for Thomas. Suns ship Nate Robinson to knicks for the deal etc etc. Now the aftermath. Media people are talking about how this trade could lead them to the le.
My thoughts.
Come on. I mean seriously. I think too many people are making a big deal out of this guy. Yes he's a solid player with a good outside shot but the guy is not getting any younger at 32. I thought he was decent at best in New York. He wasn't a difference maker. Nash won't hurt his play, but I'm not sold.
Mike D'antoni about Thomas: "Defensively we're better, at rebounding we're better"
"Thomas' presence will allow Amare Stoudemire to slide more often into his natural power forward role and have Thomas defend the opponent's best offensive inside player"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/nba/06/29/bc.bkn.knicks.sunstrade.ap/index.html
Laughable. He's 6'7. Maybe in the regular season. Duncan will run practice drills against this guy in the playoffs.
I haven't even talked about the absence of Q on the suns' team even though he choked big time in the playoffs.
I could be completely wrong, but.....
Thoughts???
so this one move improves the defense of the whole team enough to win a ring?
I want ot know what D'Antoni has been smokin casue thats some gooood sheeeeiiiiit.
The talking heads are assuming that the Spurs beat the Suns solely because of Duncan.
This dude is a moron, Kurt Thomas will not bring a championship to the Suns, i doubt very highly they even make it back to the Western Conference finals this year. Q was the best three point threat they had, and the boy has some skills, why get rid of him. All they really had to do was hit the gym really hard this summer and practice on Defensive drills, learn not to abandon the offensive/defensive boards. The Suns will never win a championship with run and gun sorry.
The biggest thing is that it moves Marion off of Duncan, which is huge for the Suns. Not that KT has ever had any success in stopping Timmy, but he should be an improvement over Marion. BUT they hurt their perimeter game which really plays into the Spurs hands.
The Suns struggled because they had no lineup that could match up effectively against the Spurs' Big 3. Q was a huge liability, and since he went Clipper on them on offense anyway in the WCF, he was expendable.
Now what you'll see is Marion on Ginobili, and Johnson on Parker, while Thomas, Stoudemire, and Hunter take turns on Duncan.
The Suns are making roster moves solely with the Spurs in mind. Whether they will be effective is another question.
Q has always been a streaky player but when he is hot he is SMOKIN hot...he just went cold on them in the wrong series...PHX could thank Q for some of those regular season wins...if the PHX philosophy is still gonna be to outscore the opposition then Q > KT
"Marion on Ginobili, and Johnson on Parker, while Thomas, Stoudemire, and Hunter take turns on Duncan."
But they haven't played team defense under Mike, and the absence was so dramatic that it was probably Mike's life-long approach to coaching. I don't care what the personel changes are, if the the Suns continue as last year, they ain't gonna make past the Spurs.
Thomas will get exploited out West. He was effective in the East where only 3 teams actually have a true center. He'll get SPowned out West.
Thomas wasn't exactly effective guarding Duncan in the Finals back in 1999.
Wake up, Q sucked.
they made a good move. kurt thomas will help down low with the dirty stuff... and anyway, Q was being wasted there and was one dimensional in their offense. but he's still a forward and will probably not be as effective playing along side someone getting the ball as much as amare. they still have no bench. and if they made this move strictly for a rematch somewhere down the line, its not nearly enough.
why did the sons go after Q from clips if they were going to trade him for thomas?
He will make them better and Thomas helps them with one of the several areas where they fell short against the Spurs. The other area was their bench and they still have to do something there, but this move is a start, and I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss these guys. I don't think thier confidence was shaken in any way by thier defeat, but they surely learned a valuable lesson, they weren't ready to contend for a tiltle. Colangelo is a smart guy who will do his best to get D'Antoni all the help he needs.
Thomas '05 = LaFrentz '03.
The similarities (and talk) are eerie.
"get D'Antoni all the help he needs."
They had and have plenty of talent.
Mike is the problem, not playing defense.
hmm i think rasho > thomas
why would we want to trade rasho
how old is nash... and thomas is 32... play them 40+ mins again this next season, and lets see what happens come playoff time. im not saying thats what killed them, but the window to learn valuable playoff lessons is really short for them. plus, thomas hated playing center in ny... hey... guess what... and now, you dont even get the ball that much.
Suns were trying to recovering from a horrible season. They just wanted to get better, so they got Q.why did the sons go after Q from clips if they were going to trade him for thomas?
The big picture is that D'antonie wants to run like magic's lakers and jordan's bulls. Problem is jordan and pipen were leading the league in steals and were on all defense teams. And the lakers had that kareem guy.
Who do the suns have?
statues on defense who would rather let an oppenent score so they run the other way. Not quite gonna cut it.
Thomas isn't a bad guy to have. I'm not sure if he can keep up with the Suns running game, though. Obviously, the Suns must think he can, but if they're wrong, he's useless to them.
The killer move for Phoenix this offseason will be if they can sign Finley. I don't think he can put them over the top by himself, but he'd a major upgrade on both offense and defense over Q. The only downside would be that they would need to watch his minutes.
The first and biggest adjustment Suns need to do is with the coach. He is taking the Suns in the wrong direction and is wasting away precious talent.
Finley? Defense? Eh? Offense? Finley's a stop-and-pop guy. Give him the ball in the middle of the court in transition and watch him dribble it off his foot.
First off this trade gives the suns more than a good chance to defeat the spurs due to getting bigger and sustaining their shooting. Kurt Thomas will get the ball alot for the mid range because they would rather him shoot than Amare dunking or killing them with a 3. Q. Richardson was the weakest link in the suns offense and he shot only 33% from 3 pointers while Joe Johnson shot like 45%. I predict suns beat the spurs if healthy. Kurt Thomas doesn't have to worry about any Centers except Shaq and Yao who they could take him out and go small to wear them out.
This was a week accusation 3 years ago and is weeker today. Yes the west has better big men overall, but to say that he will suck because he is now playing in a different conference is an uneducated claim. His averages in pts, rbs, and blks were almost identical between his games vs. east teams and his games vs. west teams. Will he make the suns champs, no, will he make them stronger up front, yes.
Another brilliant post by the "spurs" fan, got anymore great trade ideas? How about manu for shandon anderson.
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