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    Uninsured laborers working dangerous jobs have flooded North Dakota health centers.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/us...alth-care.html

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    Wasn't Obamacare suppose to fix all this?

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    What did I read now...

    Workplace injuries...

    Auto accident injuries...

    Is it legal to drive in ND without liability insurance?

    Why isn't the job related injury being charged to the employer?

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    It appears ND was not ready for the big population boom... but you do bring good questions. You should look it up.

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    It appears ND was not ready for the big population boom... but you do bring good questions. You should look it up.
    I don't care to look it up.

    It just frosts me to see an article like that. It looks like it is trying to place blame where it doesn't belong. Just my initial impression. I don't know if that impression is right or wrong, but it appears to be a non-story to me as written.

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    The surge in medical visits is real. That you don't care, that's a different story altogether.

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    the "story" is health providers going into debt for not being paid by the patients and not being reimbursed by the state or fed.

    my guess is the that fracking employers are not providing health insurance, and probably paying a lot of these desperate workers in cash, off the books.

    A hard core public option for universal health insurance would be the solution, but of course, but the for-profit insurers extorted that off the table in order to allow ACA to exist.

    btw, southern Louisiana is full of billboards by personal injury lawyers.

    Employers and for-profit insurers are to blame, not the workers.

    "In November 2012, Governor Jack Dalrymple (R) announced that North Dakota was not planning a state exchange.1 In the previous year, North Dakota had explored the possibility of a state-based exchange, spurred in part by enacted legislation stating North Dakota’s intent to create a health insurance exchange

    The federal government will assume full responsibility for running a health insurance exchange in North Dakota beginning in 2014."

    http://healthreform.kff.org/State-Ex...s/north-dakota

    Dakota is a red-state, hasn't voted Dem pres since 1964.

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    The surge in medical visits is real. That you don't care, that's a different story altogether.
    I'm not saying the surge isn't real. I don't understand the financial crisis, at least by how the article outlines it.

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    the "story" is health providers going into debt for not being paid by the patients and not being reimbursed by the state or fed.
    ShazBot...

    Do you not understand my point?

    All the injuries listed in the article were traffic, or work place injuries.

    The insured driver is responsible for the traffic injuries.

    The employer is responsible for the work place injuries.

    Therefore...

    I see the story as barking up the wrong tree.

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    All the injuries listed in the article were traffic, or work place injuries.
    Apparently they're not insured...

    swamped by uninsured laborers flocking to dangerous jobs

    And the story is about medical centers struggling with the new high demand and large non-payment...

    But you said you don't care, so I'm not here to convince you that you should care...

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    Apparently they're not insured...

    swamped by uninsured laborers flocking to dangerous jobs

    And the story is about medical centers struggling with the new high demand and large non-payment...

    But you said you don't care, so I'm not here to convince you that you should care...
    I think it is pretty much federally universal.

    Any injury on the job must be covered by the employer. Am I wrong?

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    "The insured driver is responsible for the traffic injuries."

    If driving is part of your job, esp in the employer's vehicle, the employer covers the worker.


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    "The insured driver is responsible for the traffic injuries."

    If driving is part of your job, esp in the employer's vehicle, the employer covers the worker.

    So do you see my point? Why all these unpaid hospital visits?

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    So do you see my point? Why all these unpaid hospital visits?
    The wild west oil boom employers aren't paying for insurance. Rural, red state ND doesn't have the county/state apparatus to enforce the law.

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    The wild west oil boom employers aren't paying for insurance. Rural, red state ND doesn't have the county/state apparatus to enforce the law.
    Sure they do. They just have to take it to court.

    I see this as nothing but an agenda driven attack article. No merit. Typical for the New York Slimes.

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    Sure they do. They just have to take it to court.
    ND doesn't have a boom in govt lawyers and legal staff to match the fracking boom.

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    ND doesn't have a boom in govt lawyers and legal staff to match the fracking boom.
    Still, there must be a case if there is any truth to the story.

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    Shazbot...

    Before responding farther, I suggest you look at how many news agencies outside of the New York Slimes is reporting any similar story.

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    so there's no problem, in your ING BLIND IDEOLOGY, you believe the right-wing LIE that there is a widespread, dominant LIBERAL BIAS IN THE MEDIA, so Jew/liberal/East Cpst NYTimes is sliming your beloved oil corporations and employers.

    search "uninsured workers north dakota oil boom". My version of google brings up TONS of hits from coast to coast, then GFY.

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    LOL.... ShazBot...

    Yes...

    I believe the media is dominantly liberal/progressive.

    Still, who else, but the NY Slimes is carrying this story?

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    search "uninsured workers north dakota oil boom". My version of google brings up TONS of hits from coast to coast, then GFY.
    Does that support the OP?

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    LOL...

    Daily Yonder

    Great Plains Examiner

    Topsy

    Lecclosette Blogspot

    Pal-Item

    etc.

    etc...

    Where is CBS? CNN? NBC? ABC? USA Today? etc. etc. etc...

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    Spurstalk is page 3 on Google...

    Not much else going one.

    The NY Slimes, and several liberal blog type before SpursTalk.

    Doesn't say much, does it?

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    From a little digging around, it looks like the problems are supply of labor vs. jobs available.

    ... Fast food is paying $20/hr!

    Seems to me, it would be better if more states had such a problem.

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    Wasn't Obamacare suppose to fix all this?
    Uninformed per par.

    The main part of the ACA doesn't go into effect until Jan 1 next year.

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