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JORDAN PLAYS his new favorite trivia game, asking which current players could be nearly as successful in his era. "Our era," he says over and over again, calling modern players soft, coddled and ill-prepared for the highest level of the game. This is personal to him, since he'll be compared to this generation, and since he has to build a franchise with this generation's players.
"I'll give you a hint," he says. "I can only come up with four."
He lists them: LeBron, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki. As he's making his point, Yvette walks into the living room area and, in a tone of voice familiar to every husband who argues sports with his buddies, asks, "You guys need anything?"
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page...-left-building
pretty good company, imo.
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Why would he add that little ?
No because he would have tried his BS against the (pick any team) and they would have sent their Charles Oakley to go kill him.
I dont mean beat him on the court either.
since he only goes after guys who are 6'2'' and under Stockton or Thomas would have taken him out. , Jeff van Gundy would have danced with him.
MJ's delusional for leaving off CP3... Isiah's Pistons beat Jordan's Bulls several times in the playoffs and won championships, and CP3 is better than Isiah was, so how would CP3 not be successful in the '90s?
I believe the term soft was in the OP.
Damn, that was a good read!
i seriously can't understand how can you compare the biggest flopper of the league to the biggest badass the pg position has ever seen..
plus that flopping bull Paul does might get a forearm to the face .........
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I didn't compare Durant to CP3, tbh...
Seriously, though, just look at the stats... their career assists per game are equal, and Isiah scored slightly more points per game, but CP3's averaged more steals per game, less turnovers per game, a better FG%, eFG%, and TS%, his career assist percentage is higher than Isiah's, his career defensive rating is better than Isiah's, and his career offensive rating blows Isiah's out of the water....
You're starting to reach thunderfan levels of homerism. First off, the standard that MJ used was 'which current players could be nearly as successful in his era', so there was no suggestion that CP3 couldn't be successful in the 90s. Just that he wouldn't have been as successful in that era as he is today.
Second, it's no insult to CP3 that he's not a member of the same club as LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, and Dirk. Those players all have rings, regular season MVPs, Finals MVPs, and multiple trips to the finals. CP3 has none of that hardware and has never played in a conference final, let alone the NBA Finals.
CP3 has some personal and team accomplishments to achieve before he can be included in the same breath with the 4 players mentioned by MJ in the article.
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lmao @ THIS . as of now, there is no comparison between isiah and cpFlop. just beause he beat jordan and won proves how good he was. its not even worth talking about until Flop makes some noise in the playoffs, which he has never done
very convenient to compare career averages between a retired player and a player in his primeI didn't compare Durant to CP3, tbh...
Seriously, though, just look at the stats... their career assists per game are equal, and Isiah scored slightly more points per game, but CP3's averaged more steals per game, less turnovers per game, a better FG%, eFG%, and TS%, his career assist percentage is higher than Isiah's, his career defensive rating is better than Isiah's, and his career offensive rating blows Isiah's out of the water....
i don't recall cp3 havin 13+assist seasons and that was when pg were at a huge disadvantage compared to today when they can attack the rim consistently..
Lots of people in here doing the usual conflating of team playoff success with individual greatness.... I never said CP3 was more accomplished or has had a better career than Isiah so far, but the statistics show that his production has been better than Isiah's.... besides, Jordan was talking about who would be effective in the '90s, not who would win the most rings...
Put CP3 on the Bad Boy Pistons of old and he'd probably have a couple rings too... instead, he spent most of his career with mediocre supporting casts in NOLA with no chance of winning a le in a stacked West....
Last edited by Clipper Nation; 02-15-2013 at 01:50 PM.
1. Once again, he was naming players that he believes would have been nearly as successful in the 90s as they are today. You're the one who keeps trying to change the framework of MJs list.
2. It's MJ's list. How do you know that team success isn't a component of his analysis. Given the recent '5>1' comment it seems very likely that it is.
3. Even if you only consider personal success, CP3 has a ways to go to reach the level of the 4 players named.
the point is, cp3 is the epitome of the player who would not be nearly as productive in that age. Another is Derrick rose.. Rose could not go to the rim nearly as effectively while cp3 is way to soft for that age..
Mel with it.
What statistical basis are you going by here? What magical ability does he have that didn't exist in the '90s?
you didn't get ft for flopping?What statistical basis are you going by here? What magical ability does he have that didn't exist in the '90s?
Almost makes me feel bad for MJ if he wasn't such a giant .
While the read is overly sappy, it does try to shed a normal light on MJ.
Clipper Nation going full re in this thread... you know you never go full re ...
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