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solid take
first I've heard of it
Games like Lakers/Pelicans tonight (33 to ing 9 in the 4th quarter - nobody's fooled, Pelicans) make the league look like a complete joke....
Get ready, because there's more of these types of games to come, as non-playoff teams roll over and pack it in for the season..... the Lakers absolutely don't deserve to make the playoffs, but will get in because they play a lot of bad teams who will throw games against them, meaning that a team who's actually been compe ive all year is going to get screwed out of a playoff spot.... this never fails to be bush-league and reflects poorly on the league, tbh.....
The funny thing is, Stern claimed way back when the lottery was first introduced that it was supposed to stop tanking.... instead it just encourages it...
solid take
first I've heard of it
It bears repeating, just because Lakerfan thinks that was a good win
Lakerfan wants to get into the playoffs, they don't give a who they beat to get there.It bears repeating, just because Lakerfan thinks that was a good win
It's likely a tank job, not sure the payout from the league for tanking that one, but I'd not be shocked to learn that there was a payout for losing that game especially since Utah lost.
Ehh, the lottery system isn't that bad, you should look at Aussie Rules Football and how we draft (it's bad). There will always be tanking in sports it's just a shame that the Lakers are benefiting.
There isn't a viable "solution" for tanking, tbh..
This system is fine..it ensures that tanking for the worst record in the NBA does not guarantee the highest pick..if a team wants to harm their potential attendance and long-term fan loyalty, that's their decision..
It's not like the Spurs haven't benefited from tanking or at least the appearance of it. If the reward weren't so great, decades of success, the tendency wouldn't exist. The alternative is to be the Jazz or the Suns who play hard every year but lack the attraction for big names. That goes for a lot of teams actually.
The league is in a bad way right now, despite the appearance of it being just the opposite. It's a socialist league now where the large markets support the rest, and the fans are fooled into thinking their team has a shot if they just play better ball. You get a team like SA that beats the odds and it gives false hope to other small market fans and keeps the cycle going, meanwhile large markets are sucking up the real talent pool leaving barely above D league teams scrambling to sign about to retire players or over compensated 2nd stringers like Gerald Wallace.
I was thinking of starting a thread just like this.
But I'm not sure there's a system you can implement that will prevent tanking. After all, you can't prove a team is tanking. So what's the solution? Can't give every team in the league an equal shot at the number one pick for obvious reasons. If you give every non-playoff team an equal chance, then you run the risk of fringe playoff teams tanking, which means that even more teams would pack it in this time of year.
Sadly, the lottery is probably the best system.
The NFL does just fine without a lottery.... imho, the worst team getting the first pick and so on is the most logical system, because then teams aren't stringing their fans along and putting on obvious tankjobs late in the year like this.... they're either tanking from day one or not....
should penalize team tanking
How does that fix the problem?..teams would attempt to out-tank each other for the worst record in the NBA..
There is no need for tanking in the NFL..an individual player cannot win you a championship, and if you need to draft an elite player at a specific position, most teams are willing to make a trade for their high draft pick..
solid thread, tbh...
The quarterback position is pretty much at that level at this point...
The consensus best QBs in the NFL(Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees) haven't won a SB in 3 years..
Again, if you desperately need a franchise QB in the draft, most teams are willing to make a deal(RG3 and the Rams, for instance)..
The NFL isn't comparable to a sport that requires a top 5 player to win a championship in virtually every example..
What they should do at the very least is that if you received a top 3 pick in the last 3 years, you cannot get another top 10 pick during that period. That would force teams like the Pelicans to actually not tank and build around unibrow, etc
The lottery hasn't done much to put teams into the playoffs in a few years. Blake, John Wall, Irving, Davis...none of these guys are putting their teams over the top. What they do is allow the team to attract more talent and do so under the cap. Cities like LA and Miami don't need that, they are a desired destination anyhow it seems. NY is the same. So small markets need big talent cheap to even be viable, but that's not happening in the draft since there's been no far and away show stoppers to hit the lottery since maybe Howard but certainly James.
Blake and Kyrie have franchise player potential, jury's still out on Wall and Brow...
Blake? No. One ACL and he's done. He has to have his leaping ability to be anything at all. He's a decent bttb player but nothing special. Irving is a PG, if he's their franchise they are ed. So I ask you, so what? How does that get them to the promised land? It doesn't. These teams will never see a ring until some incredibly gifted player like Lebron gets there again and someone joins him instead of him joining them.
Don't hold your breath.
Pussies & assholes, start to finish.
Top 5 teams that didn't make the playoffs should get the top 5 picks...
I completely disagree; no team is tanking for a 1 in 14 shot at drafting even Duncan or Shaq #1 vs the chance to have revenue from at least two home playoff games that they don't have to pay the players for. Owners of fringe playoff teams would be mad as to lose playoff revenue for a shot in the dark and bad teams would have no incentive to throw games. A uniformly random drawing among non-playoff teams would absolutely kill tanking while not rewarding perennially bad franchises like the Clippers and Cavs for their inep ude.
Great point.
How about they just go ahead and make it a pure lottery. The 14 teams that don't make the playoffs game 1 ping pong ball each.
edit: i guess baseline bum beat me to it.
The equal odds lottery isn't perfect either because then nobody would want the 8th seed. Teams on the fringe would tank to fall out of the playoffs. I do like this better than the current system, though.
Honestly it is kind of fun to see a team that barely misses the playoffs get the #1 pick. Then they actually have a chance to get better and become a real contender, instead of needing to "bottom out." You should always want to be the best team you can and should not be punished for it. For example, what if Philly or Toronto or Portland got the #1 pick? Wouldn't those teams be awesome to see with a #1 player added to them?
Lol, Clippers should know a thing or two about tanking.
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