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    http://www.zcommunications.org/the-n...by-john-pilger

    i've always though most of the hollywood left is anything but what it purports to be.

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    99% think iran is a threat to them?

    not buying that.

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    and i thought palin was the only one that thought iraq was 9/11.

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    99% think iran is a threat to them?

    not buying that.

    the author is probably guilty of hyperbole but the point is not altogether lost. iran is the country looked upon most unfavorably by americans:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/po...emium-1.508096

    Iran's unfavorable rating of 87% scored higher than North Korea (84%) and Pakistan (81%) as well. Ongoing Gallup research attributes this to the possibility that Americans view the development of nuclear weapons by Tehran and Pyongyang as threats to U.S. foreign policy.

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    and 7 out of 10 americans believed iraq was behind 9/11. palin was not alone by any means:

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...oll-iraq_x.htm

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    did you ever, at any point ever, think iraq was behind 9/11?

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    and i only mentioned palin as a jab.

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    and 7 out of 10 americans believed iraq was behind 9/11. palin was not alone by any means:

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...oll-iraq_x.htm
    Repug war criminals exploited American shock after 9/11 to repeat the Big Lie. Iraq was invaded for oil.

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    it wasn't for oil specifically, it was to prop up the petro dollar. saddam had started trading oil for gold and we had to set an example and show them a few things. same thing with gaddafi, that evil guy and his plans for an independent bank of africa! it's about the petrodollar, all oil has to flow through the dollar, it gives it what strength it has left through all the print and spend. keeps worldwide demand for dollars high.

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    99% think iran is a threat to them?

    not buying that.
    You should

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    ^seriously?

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    and 7 out of 10 americans believed iraq was behind 9/11. palin was not alone by any means:

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...oll-iraq_x.htm
    That is a very bad article to hang your hat on.

    You say "7 out of 10 americans believed iraq was behind 9/11"

    The article says:

    "70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link"

    "Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda"

    But... It doesn't show the actual question, or the setup questions prior to the poll.

    Do I believe Saddam supported Al-Qaeda? Yes. Do I believe Saddam had anything to do with 9-11? No. Personally involved, No. I would like to see the question that this is claimed from.

    Over and over, I point out claims that are unsupported. Where is the support of this claim outside of the authors word?

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    Selective cynicism; outcome dependent:

    Supports my team? No cynicism.

    Against my team? Cynicism.

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    That is a very bad article to hang your hat on.

    You say "7 out of 10 americans believed iraq was behind 9/11"

    The article says:

    "70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link"

    "Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda"

    But... It doesn't show the actual question, or the setup questions prior to the poll.

    Do I believe Saddam supported Al-Qaeda? Yes. Do I believe Saddam had anything to do with 9-11? No. Personally involved, No. I would like to see the question that this is claimed from.

    Over and over, I point out claims that are unsupported. Where is the support of this claim outside of the authors word?
    i don't say so. the poll from the link indicates that "Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda".

    the actual poll can be located here:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...data082303.htm

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    Selective cynicism; outcome dependent:

    Supports my team? No cynicism.

    Against my team? Cynicism.

    you have a rather cynical view of cynicism

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    did you ever, at any point ever, think iraq was behind 9/11?

    no, nor did i ever think they had any weapons of mass destruction.

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    Saddam ran a secular state, AQ pushed/pushes for Islamic state.

    No way Saddam supported AQ, at least not AQ in Iraq.

    Like the US with its long history, and current practice, of supporting dictators and overthrowing democratic govts, Saddam may have financed AQ against USA but not within AQ within Iraq, because any enemy of his enemy (the USA) was his friend.

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    Saddam ran a secular state, AQ pushed/pushes for Islamic state.

    No way Saddam supported AQ, at least not AQ in Iraq.

    Like the US with its long history, and current practice, of supporting dictators and overthrowing democratic govts, Saddam may have financed AQ against USA but not within AQ within Iraq, because any enemy of his enemy (the USA) was his friend.

    that is to the point of the article cited here. argo makes no attempt to illustrate why the students in iran had reached the boling point. the shah was a brutal despot, and had been put in place after a CIA backed overthrow of mosaddegh.

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    Do I believe Saddam supported Al-Qaeda? Yes. Do I believe Saddam had anything to do with 9-11? No. Personally involved, No. I would like to see the question that this is claimed from.

    Over and over, I point out claims that are unsupported. Where is the support of this claim outside of the authors word?
    I am obligated to point out your claim that Saddam supported Al Qaeda is unsupported.

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    i don't say so. the poll from the link indicates that "Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda".

    the actual poll can be located here:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...data082303.htm
    1) that is only part of the poll. What were the leading questions. I simply cannot believe that many people believed that in 2003.

    2) What was CNN saying at the time. Since it was a CNN poll, maybe they used their audience and simply reflected their inaccurate reporting. I was never a CNN viewer because of their chronic lying, so maybe they should have said "CNN viewers?"

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    The latest Washington Post poll is based on telephone interviews with 1,003 randomly selected adults nationwide, and was conducted Aug. 7-11, 2003. The margin of sampling error for overall results is plus or minus 3 percentage points. Sampling error is only one of many potential sources of error in this or any other public opinion poll. Interviewing was conducted by TNS Intersearch of Horsham, Pa.

    i can only assume the surveys were conducted in the manner most over the phone surveys are: as scripted questions.

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    I see you didn't consider the footnotes.

    And once again. What is the complete poll, and question order to bead up to that?

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    I see you didn't consider the footnotes.

    And once again. What is the complete poll, and question order to bead up to that?
    the footnotes comparing the washington post poll to previous polls on different dates (and one by CNN/Time) or with a question stated differently ? (all which seem to yield similar data)

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