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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    So folks, I have actually got the time to do a proper analysis of FTA for HOU, GSW, UTA and LAL throughout the entire season, and really, the results are funnier than Russell Peters and Chris Rock put together.

    I thought I will put in all this work, and have to report something that would smash all conspiracies, but, the league is really trying to be transparent in moving towards a WWE format.

    Let’s first look at the raw numbers, the following summarizes the FTA difference between a team and its opponents for the entire season:
    HOU : +3.9
    GSW: -2.6
    UTA: -0.9
    LAL: +8.5

    The numbers are not THAT surprising for the teams.
    We all know GSW doesn’t have the playing style to get lots of FTAs;
    HOU plays with a helter skelter style that nets them quite a few FTs, on top, they don’t play a lot of defense so its opposition doesn’t really get that many FTAs;
    UTA was a little bit of a surprise, as they are mostly inside dominated, but on the other hand, they foul a lot; and
    LAL has Dwight, who gets hacked a lot, and they are LAL, so they naturally gets more FTA.

    These numbers, in and of itself, doesn’t really say too much. The disparity could be due to different playing styles, different players, and such. The opposition remains pretty much the same, as they are all WC teams.

    What is interesting though, and how the FTA evolves for each team over the season.

    January 25th, 2013 is a turning point for the LAL. They went from a W/L of -7 games all the way to +1 on March 8, 2013. That’s making up a 8 game deficit in 20 games, which is phenomenal for an also ran team at the first half of the season. Not to mention, it pushed them to 9th seed, and within a game of UTA for the 8th seed.

    LAL has always been shooting more FTAs than the opposition, in fact, they were averaging +7.0 FTAs from the beginning of the season to Jan 25, but something changed. During that 17 critical games, LAL outshot their opponents +8.2 FTA a game, on average. But unfortunately, that is STILL not enough for the LAL to get the 8th seed, what happened since then is truly amazing, enough to make OKC fans blush. The LAL outshot their opponents by TWELVE FTAs a game since March 8 until the end of the season, that is 19 straight games where they out did themselves in FTA difference by 4 FTA a game!

    Well, what about the other teams? Let’s look at HOU. Up till Jan 25th, the Rockets were outshooting their opponents by 5 FTA a game. Then something changed. That something is called them being in the way of LAL making the playoffs, so over the next 16 games, HOU mysteriously shot 0.5 FTA LESS than their opponents. But afterwards, once the Rockets made the 7th seed, they went back to outshooting their opponents by 6.5 FTA a game for 20 straight games. The final two games of the season, once LAL clinched the 8th seed the OKC got the 1st seed, the HOU shot -5 FTA a game for two games (breaking even in one game, and being outshot by, who else, LAL by 10 FTA in the other) to drop to 8th seed.

    GSW didn’t get affected much, as it was steadily a few seedings above the 8th seed throughout the season, but that doesn’t stop them from shooting 34 less FTS vs. LAL in game #79 of the season. Just consider them collateral damage.

    Finally, the most interesting team, UTA, the team that was battling LAL for the 8th seed for most part of the 2nd half of the season. All the way up till Jan 25, 2013, UTA was actually outshooting their opponents by an average of 0.4 FTA a game. They were enjoying the ride, because they were still the 7th seed, and for the next 17 games, all the way to March 4, the Jazz would STILL outshot their opponents by 1.5 PPG, even though they weren’t overly successful in that stretch, and dropped from 7th to 8th seed. Then the carnage begins. Over the next 4 games, the Jazz were outshot by their opponents by 8.5 FTA a game, losing 3 of 4 games and dropping them to 9th seed. But dropping them to 9th seed is not enough, they have to stay there. For the next 16 games (games #65 to #80), UTA was outshot by their opponents by 5.7 FTA a game to “secure” the 9th seed. Once they have no chance of making 8th seed, the Jazz, miraculously, shot 5 and 6 more FTAs a game against the opposition to close the season.

    Coincidence? It’s for you to decide. We are not talking about 1 or 2 games, we are talking about almost 40 games for 4 different teams. If it’s a coincidence, the chance of this happening randomly is, I must say, quite slim.

    EDIT: Added FTA/FGA analysis for opponents for the same 4 teams under the same periods. See post #33

    Also added link to google docs. DO ENT
    Last edited by ambchang; 04-23-2013 at 08:56 AM.

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    So folks, I have actually got the time to do a proper analysis of FTA for HOU, GSW, UTA and LAL throughout the entire season, and really, the results are funnier than Russell Peters and Chris Rock put together.

    I thought I will put in all this work, and have to report something that would smash all conspiracies, but, the league is really trying to be transparent in moving towards a WWE format.

    Let’s first look at the raw numbers, the following summarizes the FTA difference between a team and its opponents for the entire season:
    HOU : +3.9
    GSW: -2.6
    UTA: -0.9
    LAL: +8.5

    The numbers are not THAT surprising for the teams.
    We all know GSW doesn’t have the playing style to get lots of FTAs;
    HOU plays with a helter skelter style that nets them quite a few FTs, on top, they don’t play a lot of defense so its opposition doesn’t really get that many FTAs;
    UTA was a little bit of a surprise, as they are mostly inside dominated, but on the other hand, they foul a lot; and
    LAL has Dwight, who gets hacked a lot, and they are LAL, so they naturally gets more FTA.

    These numbers, in and of itself, doesn’t really say too much. The disparity could be due to different playing styles, different players, and such. The opposition remains pretty much the same, as they are all WC teams.

    What is interesting though, and how the FTA evolves for each team over the season.

    January 25th, 2013 is a turning point for the LAL. They went from a W/L of -7 games all the way to +1 on March 8, 2013. That’s making up a 8 game deficit in 20 games, which is phenomenal for an also ran team at the first half of the season. Not to mention, it pushed them to 9th seed, and within a game of UTA for the 8th seed.

    LAL has always been shooting more FTAs than the opposition, in fact, they were averaging +7.0 FTAs from the beginning of the season to Jan 25, but something changed. During that 17 critical games, LAL outshot their opponents +8.2 FTA a game, on average. But unfortunately, that is STILL not enough for the LAL to get the 8th seed, what happened since then is truly amazing, enough to make OKC fans blush. The LAL outshot their opponents by TWELVE FTAs a game since March 8 until the end of the season, that is 19 straight games where they out did themselves in FTA difference by 4 FTA a game!

    Well, what about the other teams? Let’s look at HOU. Up till Jan 25th, the Rockets were outshooting their opponents by 5 FTA a game. Then something changed. That something is called them being in the way of LAL making the playoffs, so over the next 16 games, HOU mysteriously shot 0.5 FTA LESS than their opponents. But afterwards, once the Rockets made the 7th seed, they went back to outshooting their opponents by 6.5 FTA a game for 20 straight games. The final two games of the season, once LAL clinched the 8th seed the OKC got the 1st seed, the HOU shot -5 FTA a game for two games (breaking even in one game, and being outshot by, who else, LAL by 10 FTA in the other) to drop to 8th seed.

    GSW didn’t get affected much, as it was steadily a few seedings above the 8th seed throughout the season, but that doesn’t stop them from shooting 34 less FTS vs. LAL in game #79 of the season. Just consider them collateral damage.

    Finally, the most interesting team, UTA, the team that was battling LAL for the 8th seed for most part of the 2nd half of the season. All the way up till Jan 25, 2013, UTA was actually outshooting their opponents by an average of 0.4 FTA a game. They were enjoying the ride, because they were still the 7th seed, and for the next 17 games, all the way to March 4, the Jazz would STILL outshot their opponents by 1.5 PPG, even though they weren’t overly successful in that stretch, and dropped from 7th to 8th seed. Then the carnage begins. Over the next 4 games, the Jazz were outshot by their opponents by 8.5 FTA a game, losing 3 of 4 games and dropping them to 9th seed. But dropping them to 9th seed is not enough, they have to stay there. For the next 16 games (games #65 to #80), UTA was outshot by their opponents by 5.7 FTA a game to “secure” the 9th seed. Once they have no chance of making 8th seed, the Jazz, miraculously, shot 5 and 6 more FTAs a game against the opposition to close the season.

    Coincidence? It’s for you to decide. We are not talking about 1 or 2 games, we are talking about almost 40 games for 4 different teams. If it’s a coincidence, the chance of this happening randomly is, I must say, quite slim.
    Boiled down:::

    Kobe: 5

    the tired old bag Duncan: 4

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    A great analysis. Kudos!

    But to make one really think that this is a purposeful act, there would need to be an analysis of who reffed the games, how many of the FT calls were called by each ref, etc. Otherwise we are left to believe that the refs as a whole are in on this. If that is the case, how would Stern effect that without it becoming public? There are nuanced ways of doing so, I'm not being naive, but it would be good to state publicly how Stern can influence the refs to do so.

    Any way of posting some of your data for confirmation? There will be doubters...

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    I have a spreadsheet, but I don't know how to post this information up.

    I just got all the data from basketball-reference.com, under game logs, takes about 30 minutes to do the analysis. Not that difficult.

    As for individual refs vs. a league-wide conspiracy, let's just say that single refs cannot influence 40 games played by 4 different teams that much, the league, as a whole though, can influence by emphasizing certain plays being reffed tighter or looser, it's not really that difficult to do.

    I find it hilarious how UTA's FTA difference changed so dramatically over the course of the season.

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    Only pussies & assholes do research projects on officiating.

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    Purple and Bold! whitemamba's Avatar
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    i actually would like to see the spreadsheet tbh.

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    Only pussies & assholes
    I'm a trend setter.

    I set trends.

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    i actually would like to see the spreadsheet tbh.
    Bend over, Katie-girl. I'll spread the in' sheets.

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    I'm a trend setter.

    I set trends.
    It is the Robinson trend, I have all rights.

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    Bend over, Katie-girl. I'll spread the in' sheets.
    Promises, promises. Your little weasel hasn't worked since Kobe went up 5 on the bag's 4.

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    It is the Robinson trend, I have all rights.
    Please.

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    You have nary room, I am a Robinson as well - I own half of what you say.

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    I'm a trend setter.

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    I'm a trend setter.

    I set trends.
    As am I, being legally bound to you and all that you own.

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    I'm a trend setter.

    I set trends.

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    I have a spreadsheet, but I don't know how to post this information up.

    I just got all the data from basketball-reference.com, under game logs, takes about 30 minutes to do the analysis. Not that difficult.

    As for individual refs vs. a league-wide conspiracy, let's just say that single refs cannot influence 40 games played by 4 different teams that much, the league, as a whole though, can influence by emphasizing certain plays being reffed tighter or looser, it's not really that difficult to do.

    I find it hilarious how UTA's FTA difference changed so dramatically over the course of the season.
    If you want to share it, you could make it a google docs spreadsheet - you can set it the public can read it, but only you can edit it...

    https://accounts.google.com/ServiceL...ltmpl=homepage

    You will need to create a google account if you don't already have one to make a do ent.

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    I think I got the sharing right. All I did was literally cut and paste all the info onto the google drive

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...mc&usp=sharing

    The format is horrible, for I never had the intention of really sharing this, but you should be able to figure it out.

    Someone with more time can actually look at the change in FTA/FGA as the season progress as well. I think that would be another LOL matter.

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    Thanks amb for sharing the doc

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    nice work! thanks for taking the time to do all that.

    mind if i repost this in another forum? will give credit where credit is due, of course.

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    Go nuts. The effort was minimal. Do note that the seeding is only relative to each other, but not to the rest of the conference. It's just a way for me understand where they stand relative to each other.

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    Btw, could you post the link here once you have posted in another forum? Interested in the responses. Thanks.

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    Thx for the cliff notes Cully..no way in I was reading that long ass OP

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    the league was intentionally screwing either ston or utah to make a playoff spot available for the lakers, too bad mavs didn't get such special care . would be great if both utah and rockets were dropped with mavs & lakers in tbh

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    We got rocked 4 times in one week while we were the 8th seed. I even made a thread about it.

    Then when we got to 7th seed, Utah magically became the target. When Lakers had a chance at 7th again, we reverted to getting screwed.

    Can't prove this . Oh well.

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    You have nary room, I am a Robinson as well - I own half of what you say.

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