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does this apply to priest pedofiles?
Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!
Pope Francis has good news for atheists. Jesus died and was raised for them as well. His redemptive embrace was for all, not just a chosen few.The choice to accept its reach is our own. The Holy Father was not teaching anything new. In fact, this hope that all who do not yet know God are not only capable of doing good - but will progress toward that knowledge of God by doing good - is ancient. The Church wants all men and women to be saved.
LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - The Holy Father is full of surprises, born of true and faithful humility. On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
However, he did emphasize there was a catch. Those people must still do good. In fact, it is in doing good that they are led to the One who is the Source of all that is good. In essence he simply restated the hope of the Church that all come to know God, through His Son Jesus Christ.
Read more: http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
Comment from the comments section at the link....
It is important to understand that there is a distinction between reedemtion and salvation.
God did die for all of humanity however we must still choose God for salvation as an individule.
Here is a great comment I found on the subject.
"Basically, redemption is collective and salvation is individual. By his passion, death, and resurrection, Christ redeemed humanity collectively from slavery to sin and from the debt of punishment mankind -- as a whole -- owed due to sin. Each and every person, Christian or non-Christian, is redeemed because he is a member of the human race.
Salvation is the application of redemption to individuals. Although a member of redeemed humanity, and therefore himself redeemed, a person can freely choose to deliberately reject the graces won for him by Christ and go to ."
does this apply to priest pedofiles?
they get a rock...
That's comforting to hear that I'm granted access to his made-up fantasy land right after I survive my own death.
Why does Catholicism get all the blame for the pedophiles but sexuality gets none?
If I don't do good, what happens when I die, Dan?
now they need to allow contraceptives, priests to marry and women be allowed in the clergy.
Atheist sniping aside (and I myself am one), this is a pretty significant turn of events, and it establishes a belief among Catholic leaders that deeds are greater than faith, which flies right into the face of evangelical Christians whose beliefs are quite the opposite.
Cue the far rights attacking the Pope in 3... 2... 1...
Colbert: If atheists can go to heaven, I want my Catholicism refunded
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/2...cism-refunded/
This pope is awesome.
watering down the brand tbh
Next thing we'll find out he doesn't even jerk his altar boys off.
when you say evangelical christians are you referring to southern bapt'ists? I'm not really sure which church you mean. If you mean non-catholics, which alot of people do, when they say evangelical, then I strongly doubt that. I guess it went better with your ending to have the term 'far right'.
From a catholic friend, this is nothing new. It was always like this.
Jesus said through him is the only way. So maybe if people were living the way he preached, but without knowing. IDK. Good topic. Very thought provoking.
Some people on this forum seem so insecure in their beliefs, they rather attack others. Why not just explain your own belief, than show how others are flawed? Then again showing courage showing courage by putting yourself out there like that doesn't seem likely with all the time they spend attacking the ones who do.
evangelism seems to have as many flavors and definitions as Christianity itself, as a Google search shows.
I suppose if you asked 10 people, you'd get 10 different answers, emphases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelism
What I find hilarious and ridiculous is that these "Christians" are not obsessed with The Good News of the New Testament, which is soft, loving, inclusive, peaceful, NON-VIOLENT (except for JC going ape- on those mother ing moneychangers in the Temple (money men are ALWAYS mother ers, but Christians pervert that into "If you have lotsa money, it's because God loves you) ) but obsessed with the crazy-ass, vengeful, punitive, racist, genocidal, excluding, violent, pissed-off God of the Old Testament.
"Jesus said through him is the only way"
He's got no patent on that. Allah and all the religious worldviews have exactly the same exclusiveness, which is nothing but a fear-mongering recruiting tactic. "My Way or the Way"
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Hiding behind faith, like most Christians on here, is bigger showing of insecurity than anything I could do.
Just more pandering by Roarke of Fantasy Island. The NT says you only come to the father through the son. It does not say if you do good deeds you'll get to heaven. You only get there through the grace of god, not because you're good. You're told over and over you are intrinsically bad, but the god ignores that if you know the right codes.
Why? It doesn't matter what the Pope says. The Bible is there for all to read. If the Pope said screwing 12 year old boys was God's will, should Catholics suddenly feel it's ok?
Religion is such a farce, the world is ed.
Not sure why anyone thinks this is new. This is what I was always taught growing up as a catholic. Catholics do not believe that there are a chosen people who are going to be saved. They believe Jesus died for everyone. This - AFAIK - is what ALL Christians believe.
I was taught there is NO SALVATION for anyone outside of the Catholic Church. Even Catholics who weren't baptized got stuck in limbo, but apparently limbo has been cancelled, no sure what happened to all the limbo inhabitants.
"Jesus Died For Our Sins" WTH as anyone supposed to due with that, other that haul around for life a guilt comple.
100Ks died for dubya/ head's sins, and those two live on in wealthy, guilt-free retirement.
It's not. The passage "some fell by the wayside" is a big deal to some Christians. John 3:16 is huge for them, and the "anyone that believes in him shall not perish" doesn't mean anyone who believes he existed or anyone who does good to others. It's about your relationship with Jesus, not about your relationship with man. Regardless, it's mostly, in almost every denom, about the grace of God. You don't deserve it, so why go out and try to earn what you cannot ever deserve? You are given it freely. You just have to accept it. Nothing there about being a good person.
You guys are both misunderstanding. The Pope did not say everyone was saved. He said salvation was available to everyone as Jesus died for everyone. Obviously every church believes you still have to buy into their teachings - the Catholic church and the Pope are both included - but you still have that opportunity.
The entire ideas of heaven and are pants-on-head re ed, like everything else in Judaism/Christianity/Islam.
I've never been to a church that states the way to heaven is through their doctrine and teachings. Then again I've always went to Non-denominations.
Very thought provoking.
If you thought about it, you wouldn't be a Christian.
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