Never read much about this Free Mason or Illuminati stuff. I am a fan of 9-11 theories, JFK theories, etc but this one seems a bit too much.
Anyone actually believe this stuff and wanna explain from their experience why they think its real?
lol youtube conspiracy vids. Every year is the end of the world.
Illuminati was a real organization, the question is if they are still active now and what their motives are if so.
As far as 9/11 that's such a blatant inside job to me, but it seems that everything that is "secretive" gets call Illuminati.
Mostly something for the poor/less fortunate to complain about also.
I am really in the middle about it all. For every reason I say it was Muslim terrorists, I see strong evidence indicating it was an inside job. I think its conveniant to not want to believe our government could be so sick to do such a thing and I dont blame anyone for not wanting to know or believe. But I just cant accept building 7 fell on its own due to a fire+parts of the two towers collapsed on it.
My girlfriend is an architect and she knows some of the worlds most famous architects and they have discussed the issue about how it is physically impossible for a building to do this without a bomb being inside of it.
My problem with the 9/11 theories is that our government is too big and too incompetent to a) plan something like that and b) keep it a secret for this long....
Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, and Iran Contra were all massive failures by our government to cover up a secret plot, so why on Earth would this be any different?
The real government conspiracies happen every day out in the open.... every time a politician cuts a deal with a lobbyist crony, every time liberty-destroying legislation gets passed, every time a fiat dollar is printed, that's a conspiracy to enrich special interests out of the taxpayers' pockets, erode our civil liberties, and weaken the purchasing power of our dollar for the middle class and the poor....
Agree with this as well...like I said, I'm in the middle about it. But there are DEFINITELY questions the government is avoiding and I am not sure why. Basic stuff that they could do to completey put the 9-11 truth stuff to rest, the very fact they chose to ignore it makes me su ious.
I will say this much though. If you're a logical man, not a democrat or a republican or anything like that just a logical person, all you have to do is think about something for a moment. They genuinly wanted to capture Saddam Hussein in 2003, it took them about a few months to capture Saddam in the middle of a hole in the desert in a small village near Tigiris river if I'm not mistaken.
They did NOT want to capture Bin Laden. You cannot convince me that it would take 10 years to capture Osama, that is ridiculous. The very fact they found him in a gigantic fort in the middle of Pakistan makes it more insane if that is infact what happened. I do not trust our government at all, but God bless you if you do.
i think jay z saw one of mouse's videos and is pretending to be illuminati, but that's about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Operation Northwoods was a series of false flag proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962, but were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit perceived acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".
Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:
The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
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ABC NEWS: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92...1#.Uakj65xfHKc
By David Ruppe
N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001
In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
I think it's bull when people say the govt is too large to hide it for so long or to execute such a plan. First off they didn't execute things so flawlessly, for instance, building 7.
And as far as successfully hiding it goes...Many witnesses to the JFK assassination and 9/11 have mysteriously died. Same with members of Seal Team Six who "supposedly" killed Bin Laden, and other "new" suspects of the Boston Bombing just recently, as well as the FBI agents that were recently involved in arresting the original "bombers" who have also mysteriously died. How convenient. lol
As far as Operation Northwoods, if you told anyone that our own government planned this before it was declassified they would have called you crazy..but yet it was indeed a plan by our own government to murder its very own American citizens in a terrorist attack and make it seem like it was Cuba attacking us. Now the bs some ppl try to spew, like CN is that the govt never could have pulled it off
People are simply in denial, and just feel better believing their government would never do such a thing. They are hugely mistaken, and very wrong. In fact THEY are the tin foil hatters, tbh.
Last edited by SA210; 05-31-2013 at 05:59 PM.
architects design the buildings. architectural engineers make it happen. id trust their opinion on it instead tbh.
knock yourself out man
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...light=research
I find it funny that every-time I say something you feel you need to make yourself feel better about it.
If you had posted that under a new name, I would have laughed just the same.
Keep that tin foil hat on.
I'm a cuck, I need attention bc my wife won't give it to me
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