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wat is this stupidness, its the other way around
tony parker is underrated , if anything
Sense: In his first couple years in the league, Tony Parker was often touted as one of the up-and-coming talents in the league. This perception, however, has seemingly changed recently. During the Spurs’ championship run, whispers around the league were that Parker is overrated.
A big reason for that talk is Parker’s struggles with his free throws and his low three point percentages. Based on those statistics, fans seem to have lost faith in the Spurs’ starting point guard. Without a basic jump shot, they say, it’s impossible for Parker to be a true point guard.
I do not argue this – Tony Parker is not a true point guard. Parker is, however, an overachiever. Despite his lack of size, he changes the game with his speed. Personally, I'll take a point guard who creates fouls and opportunities around the basket over a point guard who'd rather hang around on the perimeter and launch threes.
Parker is and should be considered a top three NBA point guard. Why? Because even though he doesn’t have the world’s best jumper, he's unselfish and does what needs to be done to win. He pushes the ball when need be. He sets up the halfcourt offense when need be. He defers to his teammates when need be. He takes the ball into his own hands and scores when need be.
Unlike every other point so-called “elite” point guard in the league, Parker has two championship rings to prove that his style of play works. Since he’s only 23-years-old, he will only improve as years go by.
Even though Parker isn’t receiving the glitz and glamour associated with Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, the way he runs the team cannot be ignored. The two trophies in San Antonio will assure that never happens.
Guru of Nothing: If I have to choose a side, yes, Tony Parker is overrated. By your own argument, he's overrated. Yes, he has two rings, but Avery Johnson and Speedy Claxton have rings too. So does Jud Buechler, that doesn’t mean I'd necessarily want him on my team.
That said, I still think he's a top ten point guard, and if he develops as a reliable outside threat, he will approach top three status. Until that happens, we Spurs fans will continue to be frustrated watching opposing defenses cheat off of him. (Some things never change for a Spurs fan.)
So long as he remains a half-time favorite for quickie Cheryl Miller interviews, while Spurs fans such as myself daydream about his teammates playing a game unfettered by his outside shot (or lack thereof) - YES, he's overrated.
Sense: I did not base it on the fact that he has two rings. Although I believe he still has work to do in mastering the basics, I think he has all the necessary point guard fundamentals.
I've noticed that in most of our losses in the post season, when he goes out and tries to dominate the action, Manu and Tim often struggle. I believe when Tony Parker tries to do too much, it takes away from the rest of the team. So as long as he concentrates on running the team and staying within his capabilities, the team can win and Parker can go down as one of the best point guards in the league. He does what it takes to win. Period.
The fact that he's already been a starter on two championship teams should clue the rest of the league that he’s a top five point guard. He’s obviously done something right, and he’s young enough to continue to improve. I just don’t see how one could say he’s overrated.
Guru of Nothing: I think you are proving my point for me. To say that Tony still needs to work on his basics, and yet also say that he is a top five point guard leads me to conclude he is overrated.
Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury, Allen Iverson, Mike Bibby, Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash and Baron Davis (when healthy) are all considered better point guards than Parker. Parker is in a tier below, along with the likes Andre Miller and Kirk Hinrich.
That said, there are only two or three point guards I would trade straight up for Parker, for reasons ranging from salary, to age and health, to team chemistry. Tony Parker is one of the top five point guards best suited to run the Spurs, which is what I think you really meant to say, but didn't.
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wat is this stupidness, its the other way around
tony parker is underrated , if anything
the whole reason spurs are so good is they can adapt, and parker helps them
against teams like suns, where u need transition. Its funny how the media and fans
try to take apart and analyze every player on the spurs, regardless of wat they
do
That's outrageous.
Regardless of opinion, Senses' argument was much better.
Keep in mind that these are the edited version. Pre-edit, this one was much easier to judge.
I don't think you can say Bibby is better than Parker anymore. We'll see how he does after his crap-out in the playoffs. He's called to do more now that Webber is gone and Peja sucks, but how effective is he?
Baron Davis and Stephon Marbury aren't winners. Gaudy stats, but what do those mean? Where's the success? I see Davis in general as either underperforming to his talents or simply overrated and I think in the end Marbury saps wins from his team.
Allen Iverson is as much of a point guard as Tracy McGrady. Sure, they may handle the ball the majority of the time, but that doesn't make them PGs.
I think there are absolutely only three players ahead of Parker - Kidd, Nash, Billups - with the rest debateable. Parker is definitely top 10 and as a prospect, so much better than the Marburys and Baron Davises.
The problem with this whole battle blog is 'exactly how is Parker rated'? I say budding star and future All-Star is about right. Maybe this is his year for the ASG.
Hmm... so battleblogs are based on spelling, and the word use?
I understand it's not about facts, it's about the argument, and I think I did a good job doing that. I hope the fact that he said "you're proving my point" didn't affect it, or the fact that he's a mod...
anyways...
Good argument GoN...apparently you are closer to getting the money.
Keep in mind that these are the edited version. Pre-edit, this one was much easier to judge.
Understood.
GuruofNothing isn't a mod. He was just given some power temporarily during the playoffs to help us out. There's no permanent mods.
And yes, grammar, spelling, diction, and how you make your argument all weigh on the judges' decisions.
either way I was just kidding...
And I thought the battleblogs were more about arguing topics rather than using what you learned in language arts. So then again that was my mistake..
Alright sense, since you want to be like that, we'll let people see the pre-edit version and then they can say who should have won.
Sense: Over the years it has seemed that Tony Parker has never been doubted as a point guard in the NBA. This, however, has changed since he's been getting attention being in championship teams, and championship caliber teams with the Spurs. The lack of good free throw and three point percentages seem make people criticize him. Judging either of those statistics, have fans convinced that he's no true point guard.I do not argue this however, Tony Parker is no true point guard...at least by most NBA standards. Tony Parker is an overachiever, he does what most point guards can't do, and at his weight and height, he should be commended. Personally, I'd take a pointguard who creates fouls, easier passes under the hoop, and who'd rather go for a layup than a three pointer over any other superstar point guard in the league. He is and should be considered a top 3 NBA pointguard. Why? Because even though he doesn't put up stats, he's unselfish and does what needs to be done to win. Unlike most point guards considered to be top 5 in the league, he does have 2 rings at such a young age, and he will only improve as years go by. Tony Parker is too good at things that take a career to learn, and considering his assists and percentages for judging is good for his career. In my opinion, reasons he is not a superstar in this league must include the fact that he is with the Spurs, Manu Ginobili, and Tim Duncan.
Guru: If I have to choose a side, yes, Tony Parker is overrated. By your own argument, he's overrated - he "has two rings" .... Avery Johnson and Speedy Claxton have rings too. So does Jeb Buecheler; does not mean I'd necessarily want him on my team.
That said, I still think he's a top-10 point guard, and if he develops as a reliable outside threat, he will approach top-3. Until that happens, we Spurs fans will continue to be frustrated watching opposing defenses cheat off of him. .... Some things never change for a Spurs fan.
So long as he remains a half-time favorite for quickie Cheryl Miller interviews, while Spurs fans such as myself daydream about his teammates playing a game unfettered by his outside shot (or lack thereof) - YES, he's overrated.
Sense: I did not base it on the fact that he has two rings, I do believe he has point guard fundamentals, however he still needs to work on his basics. I've noticed that in most of our losses in the post season, when he gets his, Manu or Tim Duncan aren't playing their A game. I believe when Tony Parker shows up, the rest of the team doesn't... so I'd rather have him get fouls and taking care of the inside men, rather than starting a shooting compe ion against any other point guard in the league. This is why I think Pop is being leninent on him.
The fact that he's already a starter on a championship team should get him in the top 5 at the least. He had to had done something right in order to have the team in such a contention, and the fact that he will do nothing but improve makes him better.
Guru: I think you are proving my point for me. To say that Tony "still needs to work on his basics," and yet also say that he is a top five point guard leads me to conclude he is overrated.
Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury, Allen Iverson, Mike Bibby, Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash, and Baron Davis (when healthy) are all considered better point guards than Parker. Parker is in a tier below, along with the likes Andre Miller and Kirk Hinrich.
That said, I there are only two or three point guards I would trade straight up for Parker, for reasons ranging from salary, to age and health, to team chemistry. Tony Parker is one of the top five point guards best suited to run the Spurs, which is what I think you really meant to say, but didn't.
Alright sense, since you want to be like that, we'll let people see the pre-edit version and then they can say who should have won.
Sense: Over the years it has seemed that Tony Parker has never been doubted as a point guard in the NBA. This, however, has changed since he's been getting attention being in championship teams, and championship caliber teams with the Spurs. The lack of good free throw and three point percentages seem make people criticize him. Judging either of those statistics, have fans convinced that he's no true point guard.I do not argue this however, Tony Parker is no true point guard...at least by most NBA standards. Tony Parker is an overachiever, he does what most point guards can't do, and at his weight and height, he should be commended. Personally, I'd take a pointguard who creates fouls, easier passes under the hoop, and who'd rather go for a layup than a three pointer over any other superstar point guard in the league. He is and should be considered a top 3 NBA pointguard. Why? Because even though he doesn't put up stats, he's unselfish and does what needs to be done to win. Unlike most point guards considered to be top 5 in the league, he does have 2 rings at such a young age, and he will only improve as years go by. Tony Parker is too good at things that take a career to learn, and considering his assists and percentages for judging is good for his career. In my opinion, reasons he is not a superstar in this league must include the fact that he is with the Spurs, Manu Ginobili, and Tim Duncan.
Guru: If I have to choose a side, yes, Tony Parker is overrated. By your own argument, he's overrated - he "has two rings" .... Avery Johnson and Speedy Claxton have rings too. So does Jeb Buecheler; does not mean I'd necessarily want him on my team.
That said, I still think he's a top-10 point guard, and if he develops as a reliable outside threat, he will approach top-3. Until that happens, we Spurs fans will continue to be frustrated watching opposing defenses cheat off of him. .... Some things never change for a Spurs fan.
So long as he remains a half-time favorite for quickie Cheryl Miller interviews, while Spurs fans such as myself daydream about his teammates playing a game unfettered by his outside shot (or lack thereof) - YES, he's overrated.
Sense: I did not base it on the fact that he has two rings, I do believe he has point guard fundamentals, however he still needs to work on his basics. I've noticed that in most of our losses in the post season, when he gets his, Manu or Tim Duncan aren't playing their A game. I believe when Tony Parker shows up, the rest of the team doesn't... so I'd rather have him get fouls and taking care of the inside men, rather than starting a shooting compe ion against any other point guard in the league. This is why I think Pop is being leninent on him.
The fact that he's already a starter on a championship team should get him in the top 5 at the least. He had to had done something right in order to have the team in such a contention, and the fact that he will do nothing but improve makes him better.
Guru: I think you are proving my point for me. To say that Tony "still needs to work on his basics," and yet also say that he is a top five point guard leads me to conclude he is overrated.
Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury, Allen Iverson, Mike Bibby, Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash, and Baron Davis (when healthy) are all considered better point guards than Parker. Parker is in a tier below, along with the likes Andre Miller and Kirk Hinrich.
That said, I there are only two or three point guards I would trade straight up for Parker, for reasons ranging from salary, to age and health, to team chemistry. Tony Parker is one of the top five point guards best suited to run the Spurs, which is what I think you really meant to say, but didn't.
I'm not saying I won, I just wanted to know why....
I am a first timer apparently, so I just want to know what to do for the next one.
You did good. The more you do it, the easier it becomes.
I'll keep that in mind, aswell as the prize...You did good. The more you do it, the easier it becomes.
I'm a Tony Parker fan, and for those of you counting, I was many words short of my allotted 250 trying to argue that TP is overrated - and I don't necessarily agree with what I said - except that TP is definitely one of the top 5 most capable PGs to lead the Spurs.
Good job Sense.
Well, I was careful not to include Steve Francis on my list.
Look at GURU playing the Jeb Buecheler card. As if Buecheler and Tony's contributions were at all related. What's next? Comparing Mark Madsen to Manu?So does Jeb Buecheler; does not mean I'd necessarily want him on my team.
You did good. The more you do it, the easier it becomes.
Says the guy who's 0-1........
I don't think I understand. Is this supposed to be Tony Parker is over-rated by Spurs fans or the general NBA fans?
Brewski Time in 3.........2...............1
Well thats 2 seperate Blogs 1Parker1
Good job bloggers
Saying TP as a top 3 or top 5 PG is overrating him. Top 10 sounds about right to me.
However, I would say TP is often underestimated. All the top PGs took until their late 20's or early 30's to excel. TP is there at age 23. He is going to be a good PG for a long time.
I can't tell though whether TP is overpaid or underpaid. Maybe Atlanta or some other team would have made a max offer to TP this summer.
Houston, Cavs, Lakers, TWolves----all would have offered Parker a lot of money to be their PG.
Guru takes the lead!
Bas .
Hey, I want to try out this Battle Blog thing...anyone wanna go against me?
Hey MavsFan...how about we do an official Kobe vs T-Mac one?
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