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how did this dude get a reputation among spurs fans as having some sort of impressive defensive ability? he doesn't completely suck on defense, but i watched this season and didn't see him do anything special on defense. the spurs beat the two best teams in the league in the playoffs basically without him. so what does he bring on defense that the spurs can't live without and that is worth suffering his offensive ineptness?
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i guess you must have no argument
theres no point presenting an argument when your opinion is as ridiculous as that.
Most of what Rasho does is not about numbers, look at his defensive rotations, then compare to Nazrs and you'll see. Thats all you can do, if you can't see it...
Rasho does a lot of the little things to make a difference defensively and offensively.
When the Spurs perimeter players force the dribble to the baseline, Rasho's help is there and on time. That just adds to the trust and keeps the defense solid (not breaking down).
Rasho consistently sets good screens and his seals for the penetrators, providing better lane access, are the best on the team - bar none.
What is this?? it's like people here think Rasho is a first team NBA defensive player... that pop lays his hands on anyone and they magically become a great defender.
I watch lots of games. Rasho is compeletely mediocre. If he blocks someone the opposing player then procedes to posterize him... it actually engergizes. When TD blocks someone they totally disapear (see Martin, Keynon).
Why is anyone calling this guy out on a good post? is there anything weaker than disagreeing with you only argument being 'uh... do you PLAY organized basketball?' only thing worse is 'do you even watch the games?' .
Look at the stats, in the playoffs we played the best defense of the year and Rasho on the bench.
One more thing, and it's not exactly his fault. Rasho ALWAYS gets called for fouls, even on the clean blocks. TD get's away with some, Rasho rarely get's a fair call. It's kind of like David Robinson -- whatever reason the guy get's no respect from the refs.
Ummmm...the only reason you think the "do you even watch the games" comeback is bad is because you obviously don't watch the games.
Best defense of the year in the playoffs?Hardly. Even the stats don't back you up there...but I actually watched the games. And our defense was not as good as it was during the season. It was good enough to get over the top.
sweet take dude! You obiously have never played organized basketball...Ummmm...the only reason you think the "do you even watch the games" comeback is bad is because you obviously don't watch the games.
what are these stats you're talking about? I think we held teams at their lowest shooting percentages and we rebounded better than the regular season... maybe you can show me that that's not true...
P.S. I think Rasho's agent judged the battle blog
Rasho's a good player. He doesn't dunk when he should and he's not real physical but he's still a good 7'0" basketball player who blocks shots, rebounds and he doesn't blow his assignments. You either see that or you're catching the games on SportsCenter.
The reputation is justified because you can see the difference defensively when Nazr is playing compared to Rasho. Things happen easier in the paint for the other team when Nazr is playing, and you can see the difference straight away when Rasho checks in.
Rasho Plays Like Me, Sure I Dont Make 20 PPG But I Set Screens, Pick And Rolls And Other Small Things That Give The Scorers On My Team A Of An Easier Time, And You Can See The Difference, When I Dont Play Players Shooting Percentages Are Much Lower Just Because I Get My Team Easier BAskets And About 15 Rebs A Game
The exact example I was thinking of.
Oh, and Rack MI21.
hmmm... I watch the games so this is not a true statement. could it be that it's because I've never play organized basketball?You either see that or you're catching the games on SportsCenter.
either the 'small things' shows up in the win loss or it doesn't matter. Manu does the 'small things' and we win. Rasho I dont' see these showing up in wins, especially in the playoffs... Maybe I have to wear homer glasses while I'm watching the games? Or maybe you guys are just so smart that you are able to prove that even if we lose more with him playing he's sweet...
Wrong again! You're on a roll!
And you also need to learn to read. The ONLY team the Spurs held below the regular season mark in FG% was Denver. Shooting % by Seattle and Phoenix were both WELL above the regular season. Detroit was also higher, but not as much.
Define win. The Spurs were 47-13 before Rasho went down in PHX. I'm not arguing against the Mohammed for Rose trade. That helped the Spurs in the playoffs. Rasho is still a good player who contributed as a starter to wins, including a major contribution in a huge blowout of PHX in SA in December.
win = your points > their points.
contribute = production / salary
win playoffs > win regular season
I'm not saying that Rasho is a 'bad' player, what I'm saying is he's not worth his salary and if something crazy like he went down, even in the playoffs we would still probably win it all (I can't prove that).
I'm also saying the 'little things' work against him. He doesn't get calls. His blocks inspire not defeat... He disappears for stretches, he rarely plays in 4th Q even when he's healthy, he's not a 'gamer'.
His salary is a liablity assuming that peter holt still owns the team and that some homer from this forum doesn't buy the team and says... 'DAMN... the possiblity o losing 20 million per for the next 4 years doesn't scare me a bit... RC sign whoever you want!'
If that's what you are saying, it's a better argument than previous ones.
If he were a great defender he'd be worth 7 million per and would be starting. it's a continuation of the same point
Your source for that figure is...?
And you don't know he won't be starting next season.
He could very well start next season.
How?
Here are some numbers from
http://www.82games.com/0405SAS.HTM
DEFENSE:
effective FG% Allowed
player ON Court OFF Court Net
Duncan 43.8% 47.1% -3.3%
Nesterovic 43.8% 46.4% -2.6%
Ben Wallace 45.4% 47.6% -2.2%*
Bowen 45.2% 45.4% -0.3%
Parker 45.2% 45.3% -0.1%
Udrih 45.2% 45.3% -0.1%
Barry 45.4% 45.1% +0.3%
Nazr 46.3% 45.1% +1.2%
Brown 46.2% 44.8% +1.4%
Horry 46.4% 44.6% +1.9%
Ginobili 51.4% 46.7% +4.6%
Defensive rebounding
player ON Court OFF Court Net
Barry 72.8% 69.2% +3.6%
Duncan 71.9% 69.2% +2.8%
Parker 71.5% 69.0% +2.5%
Nesterovic 72.0% 69.7% +2.4%
Bowen 71.2% 69.9% +1.2%
Ben Wallace 70.8% 69.9% +0.9%*
Ginobili 70.8% 70.7% +0.2%
Brown 70.0% 71.1% -1.1%
Udrih 68.9% 71.5% -2.7%
Horry 68.2% 72.0% -3.8%
Nazr 65.3% 71.4% -6.2%
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.
player ON Court OFF Court Net
Duncan 95.8 105.0 -9.1
Ginobili 97.1 103.5 -6.4
Nesterovic 96.8 102.5 -5.7
Ben Wallace 100.6 104.2 -3.5*
Bowen 99.4 100.9 -1.5
Parker 99.5 100.9 -1.4
Horry 99.9 99.9 -0.0
Udrih 100.9 99.5 +1.4
Barry 100.7 99.3 +1.5
Brown 103.4 98.3 +5.1
Nazr 109.4 98.8 +10.7
* I added DPOY just for comparison: Rasho is worth more in defense to spurs than big ben is to detroit.
as for his offensive "ineptness":
OFFENSE:
Effective FG%
player ON Court OFF Court Net
Duncan 51.5% 46.5% +5.0%
Ginobili 51.4% 46.7% +4.6%
Nesterovic 50.6% 48.2% +2.4%
Horry 50.2% 48.8% +1.3%
Parker 49.4% 49.0% +0.4%
Bowen 49.5% 48.8% +0.7%
Udrih 49.0% 49.4% -0.4%
Barry 48.7% 49.8% -1.1%
Brown 48.1% 49.8% -1.7%
Nazr 43.3% 50.1% -6.8%
Offensive Rebounding
player ON Court OFF Court Net
Nazr 36.6% 30.3% +6.3%
Ginobili 31.8% 30.2% +1.6%
Nesterovic 31.6% 30.7% +0.9%
Barry 31.5% 30.7% +0.7%
Udrih 31.5% 30.9% +0.6%
Duncan 31.1% 31.1% +0.0%
Parker 30.7% 31.8% -1.1%
Brown 29.8% 31.6% -1.8%
Bowen 30.1% 32.9% -2.8%
Horry 29.3% 32.0% -2.8%
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.
player ON Court OFF Court Net
Ginobili 113.7 102.9 +10.8
Duncan 112.6 104.4 +8.2
Horry 110.8 107.9 +2.9
Nesterovic 109.9 108.1 +1.8
Parker 108.9 108.9 +0.1
Bowen 108.6 109.6 -1.0
Barry 108.0 109.6 -1.7
Udrih 108.7 109.0 -0.3
Brown 105.9 110.3 -4.4
Nazr 103.2 109.6 -6.4
Nesterovic is more of an impact on offense then for example parker...
In conclusion: It's not so much what Rasho does, it's what he does FOR THE TEAM.
hmmm... let me rephrase... he'd be worth 7 million per year (and his defense wouldn't be overrated) if he went down and we didn't win it all with a Center that had 1/2 a season to learn the system.
why doesn't he play in the forth even when he is healthy? did you see detriots recorde when BB went down? you think they would have won the championship without BB??* I added DPOY just for comparison: Rasho is worth more in defense to spurs than big ben is to detroit.
Neither does Nazr. What's your point?why doesn't he play in the forth even when he is healthy?
you rasho haters have no clue what a basketball team is, its not about 5 guys who can score 30 points each, its about 5 guys who can all do their jobs... its like saying bruce bowen shouldnt play becuase he cant score sure rasho is an offensive underacheiving out of shape center, but i urge you to find me a center with his size who switches on every pick and is always on his assignment, nazr doesnt do that most of the other centers in the league dont do that exept the really fit guys.. its not like we would be breaking the bank by keeping rasho, you people are quick to hate but ull be hard pressed to find another big man like him for that price
Rasho was in pretty good shape most of the season. He's just really, really slow.
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