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    He's right about Kawahi you know.

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    Great words for Kawhi.

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    Must be great for Kawhi to hear something like that from Manu.

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    He's right about Kawhi you know.
    FIFY, it's a pet peeve of mine although I assume it was just an accident

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    Too bad TGY cannot post. This was HIS thread.

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    Kawhi was the most consistent player in the finals. Duncan, IMO was the best player.

    I can understand why he would think that way though.

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    Too bad TGY cannot post. This was HIS thread.
    haha what did I miss, Mods finally did something about him?

    The kid is probably finishing up watching Bruce's 20 uploads yesterday, tbh.

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    Manu looks youthful there. Hope he rediscovers his mojo next season.

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    It's going to be interesting to see how Kawhi develops when given a little more freedom. It's difficult for me to determine how much of his success is dependent on the Spurs' system.

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    cow-hi

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    I really hope Manu redeems himself next year.

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    The beginning of the video is very interesting. He talks about "24 hours of uncertainty" in the contract negotiations. So obviously, as most of us suspected, the Spurs came at him with a lower number and he wasn't too thrilled. But knowing he has the leverage of a fan revolt if the Spurs let him go, Manu was able to bend the Spurs over and get the top of his market value.

    Good business move, tbh.

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    The beginning of the video is very interesting. He talks about "24 hours of uncertainty" in the contract negotiations. So obviously, as most of us suspected, the Spurs came at him with a lower number and he wasn't too thrilled. But knowing he has the leverage of a fan revolt if the Spurs let him go, Manu was able to bend the Spurs over and get the top of his market value.

    Good business move, tbh.
    That or he wasn't sure SAS wanted him back. Lots of way to put it tbh, Specially, when English is not his first language.

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    We'll see how this all works out. Truth be told, I'm not that happy with the Belinelli signing. But if the plan is to Horry Ginobili to some extent, then another two-guard was needed. I am pretty excited by the Pendergraph though. It'll be interesting to see how much money they gave him and what role he gets next season. Nothing would make me happier that seeing him work his way onto the floor and add some much-needed athleticism to the big-man rotation. Even if he just sits on the bench, I feel much more comfortable having him there than an old player like Kenyon Martin.

    It's up to Ginobili to justify his contract, though.

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    We'll see how this all works out. Truth be told, I'm not that happy with the Belinelli signing. But if the plan is to Horry Ginobili to some extent, then another two-guard was needed. I am pretty excited by the Pendergraph though. It'll be interesting to see how much money they gave him and what role he gets next season. Nothing would make me happier that seeing him work his way onto the floor and add some much-needed athleticism to the big-man rotation. Even if he just sits on the bench, I feel much more comfortable having him there than an old player like Kenyon Martin.

    It's up to Ginobili to justify his contract, though.
    Its not likely he does. It's not quite fair to evaluate this money from this contract and just this next two years level of play. Its about the business of basketball too. He's a fan favorite and had the Spurs in a tough spot. In all honesty, it could have been even worse.

    But, it's reasonable to assume he has a lesser role than last year and at best the same amount of minutes per game. If that is the case, it's already pretty impossible that a guy who can only play 24MPG can justify that much money.

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    We'll see how this all works out. Truth be told, I'm not that happy with the Belinelli signing. But if the plan is to Horry Ginobili to some extent, then another two-guard was needed. I am pretty excited by the Pendergraph though. It'll be interesting to see how much money they gave him and what role he gets next season. Nothing would make me happier that seeing him work his way onto the floor and add some much-needed athleticism to the big-man rotation. Even if he just sits on the bench, I feel much more comfortable having him there than an old player like Kenyon Martin.

    It's up to Ginobili to justify his contract, though.
    I know Ginobili plays a different role than Kawhi, but with all these recent interviews with Pop and now Manu, it looks like the team is now at confident and sure that kawhi would be the third option and would be getting a lot lof touches. I think that's one think to think about if you're going to evaluate Manu's numbers next year.

    IMO 13-5-3

    Something like that, would be enough to justify his contract, if you consider the business aspect of it as well.

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    The beginning of the video is very interesting. He talks about "24 hours of uncertainty" in the contract negotiations. So obviously, as most of us suspected, the Spurs came at him with a lower number and he wasn't too thrilled. But knowing he has the leverage of a fan revolt if the Spurs let him go, Manu was able to bend the Spurs over and get the top of his market value.

    Good business move, tbh.
    Yeah pretty much, pretty funny in retrospect how everyone expected him to take "what would be left"...

    I wonder how Tiago's deal factored in the negociation if it did at all. Maybe they told him if you want us to be able to sign Tiago then you take that, and then they had to pay Manu a stupid amount or give both Manu a bit less but didn't have the option to lowball Tiago... Anyways both deal seem terrible to me and I wouldn't be surprised if they were linked to each other...

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    I hope everyone on the team is in agreement we should switch from the TP as the primary point of attack. We've tried it and it has only resulted in playoff failures. That means the Spurs need to find a way for TP to be more useful of the ball whether that means spotting up for corner 3's or running of screens.

    I really hope Manu redeems himself next year.
    This. Hopefully he can try to emulate '11 Manu. I think the combination of having a good team and Pop treating him like a china-doll. I think that took away from his aggressiveness. That passing routine worked during the regular season and in the earlier rounds of the playoffs but it didn't work in the Finals because the Heat figured he wasn't threat to score himself. Actually the same thing for Splitter. The Heat knew when he got the ball in the post he was looking to pass. He's got to be more aggressive there no matter how ugly it looks.

    The beginning of the video is very interesting. He talks about "24 hours of uncertainty" in the contract negotiations. So obviously, as most of us suspected, the Spurs came at him with a lower number and he wasn't too thrilled. But knowing he has the leverage of a fan revolt if the Spurs let him go, Manu was able to bend the Spurs over and get the top of his market value.

    Good business move, tbh.

    At least the Spurs tried to lower the number. It looks like it could have been worse.

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    Tim makes roughly makes 50% now than his previous contract. But he contributed much more than that. I'm also hoping that Manu can find that gear next post season and justify his roughly 50% new contract. I don't get the sense that he accepts yet what his body can and can't do as Tim has and come up with a plan. Might be harder for him to do so. I'm glad he's still here but I hope he can get through another year of regular and post season. He got healthy at the right time this post season and was still limited. I'm hoping for a Manu "Kerr" Ginobili.

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    Its not likely he does. It's not quite fair to evaluate this money from this contract and just this next two years level of play. Its about the business of basketball too. He's a fan favorite and had the Spurs in a tough spot. In all honesty, it could have been even worse.

    But, it's reasonable to assume he has a lesser role than last year and at best the same amount of minutes per game. If that is the case, it's already pretty impossible that a guy who can only play 24MPG can justify that much money.
    On the contrary, it's not too hard at all for him to live up to his deal. He got paid market value. Had he just not turned the ball over as much against the Heat, there'd be no question the deal was fair. Honestly, so long has he's not broken down by the playoffs, and doesn't go into a slump when he gets there, it should be enough. I'm sure someone will post the win-shares per salary for him, and he'll be fine. And as you said, that doesn't even account for his marketable value.

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    I know Ginobili plays a different role than Kawhi, but with all these recent interviews with Pop and now Manu, it looks like the team is now at confident and sure that kawhi would be the third option and would be getting a lot lof touches. I think that's one think to think about if you're going to evaluate Manu's numbers next year.

    IMO 13-5-3

    Something like that, would be enough to justify his contract, if you consider the business aspect of it as well.
    It's just more about Ginobili being able to be a leader in the playoffs. He has to either be able to penetrate or knock down shots. If his body (or the defense) won't let him be the same old Manu, he has to adjust.

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    He looks rejuvenated there. I was as hard on him as the next guy but I'd love nothing more than for him to come back motivated and on a mission.

    Extremely nice words about Kawhi.

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    The beginning of the video is very interesting. He talks about "24 hours of uncertainty" in the contract negotiations. So obviously, as most of us suspected, the Spurs came at him with a lower number and he wasn't too thrilled. But knowing he has the leverage of a fan revolt if the Spurs let him go, Manu was able to bend the Spurs over and get the top of his market value.

    Good business move, tbh.
    I believe that Manu's words lead to a reasonable conclusion that there was some haggling over his compensation package. It's not nearly as clear that the dispute necessarily affected the first year salary number.

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