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    Obama should symbolically support breathing air just for the comedy of seeing Republicans rip it to shreds.

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    "it involves cutting the corporate tax rate if Republicans agree to spend billions in one-time revenues to fund job creation projects that the president has long championed."

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2aZAXhzHu

    incredibly stupid bargain that the corporations will definitely cheat on, and end up winners, plus no significant job creation

    history: dubya allow corps a "one time" steal to repatriate $300B+ at 5% tax rate in return for job creation. Once done, BigPharma, a major beneficiary, laid off 10Ks employees.


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    It's strategic IMO. The GOP dismisses this out of hand claiming that tax reform has to include personal income tax reform to ensure that small businesses reap the benefits. While most big businesses I'm sure would like to see across the board tax reform, there is no reason corporate taxes and personal income tax reform need to be coupled together. With this, Obama is driving another wedge between the the tea baggers and big business similar to what's happened with the immigration debate and the fight over defunding the ACA. Obama is looking to divide and conquer the GOP. He smells blood in the water.

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    Obama should introduce a bill to wipe out Obamacare

    Republican's heads would explode

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    Obama could heal the planet, were it not for those damn extremissst obstructionissst republicans.

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    Beats focusing on all the "fake" scandals, I suppose.

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    tbh, the sad state of the GOP has a lot more to do with the GOP than with Barry...

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    Obama doing a speech about middle class jobs/corporate tax reform from the floor of an Amazon warehouse, a non-union company that pays a vast majority of its workers around 24 grand a year (barely over the poverty line)... Not to mention the fact that Amazon avoids taxes wherever and whenever it can

    I would have thought his team was smart enough to know what irony was

    Plus, this plan is more or less the same as the one he came around with a couple years ago. gmafb

    Not that the repugs have anything worthwhile to present, either. all of em'

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    I wish I had bought Amazon stock several years ago

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    Obama doing a speech about middle class jobs/corporate tax reform from the floor of an Amazon warehouse, a non-union company that pays a vast majority of its workers around 24 grand a year (barely over the poverty line)... Not to mention the fact that Amazon avoids taxes wherever and whenever it can

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    The only reason Obama is out giving these speeches is he wants to go back into campaign mode. He likes being liked.

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    I think the proposal is interesting and something I would support. Is it the end all be all? Not close, but would do more good than bad. I like it.

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    Amazon warehouse, a non-union company that pays a vast majority of its workers around 24 grand a year
    yeah, non-living-wage of $12.something/hour but I hear its with health insurance and a retirement plan, and lots of rah-rah feel good cheerleading to "better yourself".

    probably catastrophe insurance, $5K deductible and super high co-pay.

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    yeah, non-living-wage of $12.something/hour but I hear its with health insurance and a retirement plan, and lots of rah-rah feel good cheerleading to "better yourself".

    probably catastrophe insurance, $5K deductible and super high co-pay.
    I used to be a manager at a large Amazon warehouse. The insurance is actually quite good, even for low-level workers, as are the 401k/stock options. The pay/hours suck, though, as does the culture... Not to mention they never hire anyone (at low-levels) before a temp period (through an agency) where that worker must toil without insurance... Usually 6-12 months

    They also shove a lot of anti-union propaganda down your throat at the monthly meetings. It's why a vast majority of their facilities are in the south, where they can easily get away with low-pay and treating people like (As well as bullying local/state governments into coddling them with favorable tax conditions)

    It's an awful company to work for, although great if you're a consumer. Sound familiar? It should, because it's basically Wal-Mart online. A no holds-barred approach to giving consumers low prices coupled with ruthless efficiency, low-wages, poor working conditions, and a reliance on Temp workers

    For example. Their warehouse in Lexington, one of the busiest in the system, employs around 2,000 people on six, ten hour shifts. During the summer, that warehouse isn't air-conditioned and would regularly get well into the 100's, a few times getting up to 120 or higher. Their solution? Free water and an extra 5 minutes on breaks
    In my department, shipping, I would have to rotate people out of the trucks every 30 minutes since temps in the trailers regularly got over 130. Yeah, they supplied plenty of fans, but all they really did was push hot air around. I took two shirts to work every night because the first would be soaked through by lunch.

    Best part of all this? I worked the night shift. In the two years I was there, probably 20-30 had heat related illnesses each summer. Four of them in my department, alone. One guy died as a result of complications, but the safety team decided it was due to a pre-existing condition so as to not count against the facility's record


    Only place I've ever been that's hotter is Iraq/Kuwait in full combat gear, lol
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    Obama doing a speech about middle class jobs/corporate tax reform from the floor of an Amazon warehouse, a non-union company that pays a vast majority of its workers around 24 grand a year (barely over the poverty line)... Not to mention the fact that Amazon avoids taxes wherever and whenever it can

    I would have thought his team was smart enough to know what irony was

    Plus, this plan is more or less the same as the one he came around with a couple years ago. gmafb

    Not that the repugs have anything worthwhile to present, either. all of em'
    I was wondering what you had to say about that

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    Obama's "Grand Bargain" with Obama

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...969528444.html

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    quick question: how does lowering corporate income tax rates amount to a corporate tax hike?

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    quick question: how does lowering corporate income tax rates amount to a corporate tax hike?
    Any nominal rate reduction (or increase for that matter) can result in an effective rate increase (or decrease for that matter).

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    gotcha.

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    tbh, the sad state of the GOP has a lot more to do with the GOP than with Barry...

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    the kneejerk opposition to Barry, who -- frankly -- more resembles his opposition than he differs from them, is a distinguishing trait of the GOP.

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    at the risk of grossly oversimplifying, the so-called problem of of a higher effective tax rate at a lower nominal rate is essentially increased compliance, no?

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