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I'm glad someone finally brought this up.
Traded away James Harden and got the worst deal possible because they didn't want to amnesty Kendrick Perkins.
Last edited by JohnnyMax; 10-16-2013 at 12:23 AM.
I'm glad someone finally brought this up.
Are you done talking to yourself???
Presti
Even with how skeptical people were about Harden as a primary option at the time, it STILL was the worst trade in NBA history
The question is this though: Was it even possible to keep Harden? Delay the Ibaka signing. Amnesty Perkins. Do what you have to do do offer Harden a max. Does he even accept it? We'll never know. This guy knew what he had going. Does he really want to play behind KD and Westbrook or does he want to run his own show? I think he walks regardless...and I can't blame him.
I wonder how the harden trade will look like 10 years from know. Knowing okc traded away their dynasty and championship hopes alongside harden.
Lucked out in the lottery? could have had Kevin Love instead of Westbrook.
Even with how skeptical people were about Harden as a primary option at the time, it STILL was the worst trade in NBA history
I think before you make a claim that Presti single handedly traded away what you claim he did, you have to answer the question of whether or not Harden was going to stay regardless of what Presti offered him. It's very, very reasonable to make the argument that there was at least a decent possibility that Harden was going to walk, simply for the fact that he knew he could be the top dog elsewhere and build a team around him, rather than playing "behind" KD and RW. Like I said, I can't blame someone of his caliber for wanting this. The fact is, I believe Presti felt as though Harden was going to walk at the end of the 2013 season when he went to free agency...this was a very real possibility.
Lucked out as in Portland picking Oden instead of Durant.
Fact is, Harden was going, period. I strongly believe this. You guys act like OKC had Harden by the balls and could do as they pleased with him and they just "let him go". Harden was going to play out the final year of his rookie contract and leave in free agency to run his own show elsewhere. That's fine. So in this case, yes OKC did trade away the chance at a 2013 championship in exchange for a year of KMart, a long term possibility in Lamb, and the #12 pick (now Adams). If you want to make a case against that, ok, but to claim Presti traded away years of championship possibilities is completely bogus because Harden was GONE after 2013 regardless.
Imagine how the Thunderefs would look if Stern didn't make sure they spend 90% of every game at the free throw line on ticky-tack calls
I don't think that's luck. Almost every other GM in the league would have picked Oden too.
Harden wasn't going to leave in restricted free agency last year, and no way he takes a one year offer last season just to take less on his contract this year had they not traded him. LOL rationalizations.
+ every other GM in da nba woodnt of made a dum trade like presti did
He was under his rookie contract for 2013. That wasn't even in question. They were simply offering an extension beyond 2013. We'll never know what he would've done, but why do you find it impossible that he'd leave OKC? I think there was a strong possibility he was leaving as a free agent for the reasons I mentioned.
Ibaka is irrelevant. The disparity between what they offered Harden and what Harden wanted was less than Perkins salary. They could have kept ibaka and harden if they amnestied Perkins or if they didn't extend him for 5 years like morons. Ibaka is not an excuse
I agree. I'm simply asking..did Harden even want to stay? Would he have taken ANY offer from Presti? I think he walked as a free agent at the end of 2013 had OKC decided to keep him for the final year of his rookie contract. I suspect Presti had some sort of inclination Harden was going elsewhere as a free agent and decided to forego the 1 year chance at a le in 2013 in order to get some trade value for him.
People act as if this is a one way highway. OKC puts the money up and Harden is theirs. Doesn't really work that way. There's at least two parties to a contract. Everyone seems to be assuming Harden wanted to stay in OKC long term. I have my doubts that he did.
Last edited by OKC; 10-15-2013 at 01:54 PM.
He had a big role with the team was was the crunchtime ball handler more often than not. He had an opportunity to compete for a le for years. If they paid him enough he would have stayed. Instead they low balled him and gave him an ultimatum because they were paying perkins 8 mil annually
If that were the case, I agree. I guess it's one of those things we won't know. However, the argument that he wanted to be dog #1 and run his own show is fairly reasonable.
No. Seriously no. Stop the misinformation. Harden COULD NOT just walk had OKC not extended him. That is not how the CBA works. The Thunder had the ability to hold his NBA rights for at least five years regardless of what he wanted. Had the Thunder chosen to keep him, Harden would be in one of three situations right now. He'd be playing under a standard qualifying offer (seriously as about unlikely has it gets), playing under the first year of a new deal (whether OKC gave it to him or matched another team's offer sheet), or playing under the first year of a maximum qualifying offer, which is essentially a unilateral max deal OKC can force Harden to sign since pretty much no one else would be able to give him a compe ive deal. Players coming off rookie contracts just don't have the ability to walk away from their teams unilaterally.
Now you can try to come back and say that Harden could have complained and demanded a trade had OKC forced a max deal on him, but I doubt it. Them discussing a contract at all meant there was plenty of mutual interest. The trade really did come down to Presti thinking the Thunder could replace Harden's production for less money. No amount of spinning can change the fact that he grossly overestimated his own skill as a general manager.
Thunderfan still spinning that atrocious asset management by Presti
Turned down Tyson as well didn't he? (they)
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