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Awesome!
Lets take the NBA by storm!
"we are interested" said by Tim Shea (charlotte)
"No puedo decir más que eso porque no hay mucho qué decir y además hay un tema legal hasta el jueves. Pero todo puede pasar... Ojalá se haga, a mí me encanta" (walter herrmann)
Awesome!
Lets take the NBA by storm!
All is owed to Manu
Excellent. Every Argentine is going to be overrated thanks to Manu.
You know what this reminds me of?
After Australia had a strong showing at the Olympics 3 or 4 players from here were taken in the draft and a couple of others offered contracts. Of those players none really made it to the nba. Although there is a chance David Andersen could come after a stellar season in Europe I think his rights are held by Atlanta.
I thought this was about Herman Reid, Jr.
I ´ve must recognize than Delfino is overrated ...
I´ve got great hopes with Oberto (he was the best argentinian player until Manu arrived )
But Nocioni isn´t overrated
And Manu neither...
unless you think all argentinians but Manu are overrated...
Noiconi is an overachiever but he's definitely overrated.
I hope my BOSS read your sentence ...
http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v3/pag...?pagId=1021303
EL FUTURO DE HERRMANN
¿Dónde vas a jugar, Walter?
Unicaja, su club, no lo quiere, pero Barcelona y Tau lo persiguen. Detrás asoma Charlotte. "Nos interesa", le contó el reclutador Tim Shea a Olé.
JULIAN MOZO. [email protected] (2'16")
Su vida estuvo lleno de paradojas. Walter Herrmann había sido el mejor jugador de la poderosa liga española cuando a los dos meses, en julio del 2003, lo golpeó la primera tragedia (su madre, hermanita y novia fallecían en un accidente automovilístico). Un año después volvía a brillar, esta vez con la Selección (ganó el Sudamericano en Brasil y fue el mejor jugador) pero su padre fallecía horas después por un infarto. Se recuperó de nuevo y fue determinante para que Argentina pasara a semi en los Juegos Olímpicos (la rompió ante Grecia) camino a la medalla de oro. Se esperaba su explosión en Unicaja, pero una mala temporada, su peor relación con el técnico Sergio Scariolo y un alto contrato (850.000 euros, el mayor del equipo) hicieron que el club de Málaga empezara a buscar en silencio deshacerse de él. En eso está ahora, por pedido de Scariolo. De ser el mejor a ser descartado en apenas dos años...
Pero no todas son pálidas, al contrario. Cuando le ocurre algo malo, siempre la vida le regala algo bueno. En este caso, tres interesados de peso. Tau Cerámica, que además de tener a Prigioni, Gabini, Scola y casi a Sandes (está a punto de cerrar), está detrás del santafesino desde hace rato. Ya sumó al pivote serbio Predrag Drobnjak y ayer al base croata Roko Ukic, pero le queda un lugar de alero. Barcelona, como Tau, lo tiene en la mira y también habría ofrecido un contrato por tres temporadas. No son los únicos, según Claudio Villanueva, agente del alero. "Hay tres o cuatro que lo pretenden", aseguró, aunque enseguida pisó el freno. "Pero ojo que a Walter le queda una temporada de contrato en Unicaja y desde el club no recibimos comentarios de que quieren desprenderse de él", comentó.
Los dos gigantes de Europa están expectantes, igual que los Bobcats, la franquicia que viene de su primera temporada en la NBA y busca reforzar su equipo con talento joven. Charlotte, que apenas ganó 18 de 82 partidos, está sigilosamente detrás del alero de 26 años. "Estamos interesados desde hace tiempo. Lo saben Walter y su agente", le reconoció Tim Shea, el principal reclutador, a Olé. Shea, quien antes estuvo en Phoenix y New York, se reunió con Villanueva durante la disputa de la Copa del Rey en Zaragoza, en febrero. Desde ahí lo sigue con ganas, pese a la floja tarea de Walter. Hasta quiso llevarlo a la liga de verano, pero Walter prefirió las vacaciones en el Sur argentino con su novia. "No puedo decir más que eso porque no hay mucho qué decir y además hay un tema legal hasta el jueves. Pero todo puede pasar... Ojalá se haga, a mí me encanta", dijo ayer desde España.
¿Qué quiere Walter? No se banca a Scariolo pero se lo toma con tranquilidad y no piensa renunciar al gran contrato que le resta en Unicaja. Su idea es plirlo o pasar a otro equipo europeo por un año (pero no firmar por tres, como pretende su agente) para luego dar el salto a la NBA en el 2006. Salvo que Charlotte (u Orlando, otro que lo sigue) oficilice una oferta mejor de la que analiza hacer y Unicaja lo ceda sin cobrarle poco o nada.
Opciones le sobran, pero ¿dónde vas a jugar, Walter?
Good point, although winning the gold helps too.After Australia had a strong showing at the Olympics 3 or 4 players from here were taken in the draft and a couple of others offered contracts. Of those players none really made it to the nba. Although there is a chance David Andersen could come after a stellar season in Europe I think his rights are held by Atlanta.
I am wondering about Walter's buyout, only that .. just in case
Overrated by whom?
Nobody has him in their radar screen. How can he be overrated? maybe he is overrated with us Argies, but that's it.
By the way, if you ask other teams' fans, Manu is overrated too.
Overrated by you and the rest of the Manu Mob.
You think Manu is overrated?
How the do we overrated him??? Just because we really like any Argentine player does not mean we are literally saying that player is a superstar.
Get your deffinitions straight. No one overrated Nocioni, we just like him.
Noiconi.
oh
well, I wouldn't say overrated, but perhaps us Argies do get a little carried away with overhyping our players. Its understandable though.
I don´t think 2-3 millions a year is overrated
Overrated can be 4-5 millions
A ACB MVP for 3 millions a year isn´t overrated
The last 3 are.
Nocioni. 10 Millions 3 years
Hermann: ?????????
Scola: 7 millions - 3 years offer
I hope next season Nocioni will play a lot better... nobody expect him become a superstar but a good role player...
He´s doing pretty well at this time (his numbers are similar than Manu in his first season)... and don´t forget about it... he is in the Bulls...
If he was playing for the Spurs everybody will say "How hard nosed is" or maybe "is the next Bruce Bowen"
Herrmann is very similar to Nocioni (not Noiconi, Marcus) but better scorer
Fall from Greece
by Steve Kerr, Yahoo! Sports
August 28, 2004
As I watched Team USA lose to Argentina in the Olympic semifinals on Friday, one thought continually recurred in my mind: This was no upset.
America didn't have its best team in Athens. Yes, Kobe, Shaq and KG probably would have made a difference. But Argentina's team was simply better than the team we put on the floor.
They played with passion and poise, they worked beautifully without the ball, they passed and shot better, and I got the sense they would have beaten Team USA six out of 10 times.
So the question American basketball fans are asking is, how did this happen? How did we invent a game, dominate it for over 100 years and suddenly forget how to play it?
How can our national team go from utter dominance a mere 12 years ago to suddenly becoming a mediocre player on the national scene? (If you think we're anything more than mediocre, witness the fact that we finished in sixth place in the world championships two years ago and third in Athens).
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There are probably a lot of reasons for our Olympic failure, but the first thing we have to fix is the selection process.
Ever since the original 'Dream Team' trampled the compe ion in Barcelona in 1992, selecting the national team has been nothing more than a popularity contest.
The NBA was interested in promoting its league around the world, so Team USA was comprised of superstars.
If a star player turned down the invitation, he was replaced by the next biggest star.
The selection committee has been largely made up of NBA general managers and officials, who frequently are politicking their own players for marketing purposes. Selections were based on star status and exchanged favors, and since we were going to win anyway, nobody cared how the team was picked.
That is about to change.
It doesn't take James A. Naismith to figure out that Team USA desperately needed a shooter, and that guys like Brent Barry, Michael Redd or Wally Szczerbiak would have been valuable assets on this team. In the past those names would have never been mentioned. Now they will not only be considered, but recruited and coveted.
But to place all the blame on the selection committee for the Olympic failure would be wrong. While I believe we could have fielded a more efficient squad, international basketball has improved so dramatically that it's no longer as simple as sending our best players.
There are more than 80 foreign players in the NBA, so teams from around the world are extremely gifted. In fact, with Tim Duncan on the bench in foul trouble, it was difficult to view a disparity in talent between Team USA and Argentina.
Manu Ginobili was the best player on the floor, and Andres Nocioni, who will play for the Bulls next season, punished the smaller American guards on the block in the first half.
Luis Scola, for whom the Spurs hold draft rights, was a strong force inside. And late in the game, Walter Herrmann did his best Dr. J impersonation, swooping to the hole and closing out the Americans with his offensive aggressiveness.
These guys were awfully good.
But while the disparity in talent wasn't glaring, the style of play certainly was. I believe that the international teams are now playing the game better than we are.
Tex Winter once taught me that the best players make their decision to drive, shoot or pass within one second of catching the ball. That creates offensive rhythm and continuity.
The Argentineans rarely held onto the ball for more than a second or two as they passed, cut and shot us to death. The irony is that they ran a simple offense called the 'flex', which was a staple of American basketball 15 to 20 years ago.
It involves a pattern of back screens and down screens that are difficult to defend, especially when all five players on the floor can shoot. The Argentineans spread the floor, set great screens and knocked down open shots – something the 'Dream Team' of 12 years ago did from day one.
But the American game has deteriorated to the point where players are holding the ball for three or four seconds, over dribbling, dumping the ball into the post and not moving or setting screens. That is what Team USA did, and the lack of offensive continuity was glaring.
The Americans' play was simply an extension of an NBA game, and it was exposed in a tournament where teams employed a more traditional – and more efficient – style.
So will this Olympic loss spawn a new generation of players and coaches who are dedicated to working on their games and strategies and getting basketball back to what it was in this country just a decade ago?
Probably not.
The NBA game has become ins utionalized, with teams playing the same way – running screen and rolls and isolations, feeding the ball to the best player and clearing everyone out.
Teams are not going to run the 'flex' offense because many players can't shoot, and without shooters the defense doesn't have to honor screens and perimeter play, preferring to simply clog the lane.
And younger players will continue to enter the league underdeveloped, having played hundreds of AAU games, but not doing what Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were doing 30 years ago – sweating in a gym all summer working on their skills.
The NBA can learn a lot from the Olympic failure. The league could use more innovation and more coaches – like Don Nelson and Phil Jackson – who think 'outside the box' and value basketball skill over athleticism.
Perhaps the league can help our young coaches at the junior high and high school levels to inspire kids to develop skills – especially away from the ball.
Maybe we can adopt some of the international rules and apply them to the NBA. We could allow all-zone defenses, for example, or possibly widen the lane, or even – heaven forbid – call traveling.
But no matter what we do, the USA will never return to the dominant state it enjoyed for so long. The international game is too good. There are great players all over the world. And our game is regressing.
So even if we pick a better, more efficient team to send to Beijing in 2008, don't be surprised if we come home empty handed again.
Steve Kerr is Yahoo! Sports' NBA analyst. Send him a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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