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Not every player wants to play in the NBA and take the pay cut and sit on a bench.
....and which ones might have a shot at making the roster? I know the Spurs went after Baynes instead of bringing over Ryan Richards. Livio Jean Charles is injured for the year. The Spurs signed Malcom Thomas, does it mean Deshaun Thomas won't be on the Spurs anytime soon. I think the only other guy I'm missing is Adam Hanga but I have not heard anything on him in at least a season ago. Also do you guys think Nando was the best of their overseas players or did they think he was the only one that could fill the back up PG spot.
Not every player wants to play in the NBA and take the pay cut and sit on a bench.
Davis Bertans, Victor Sanikidze, Robertas Javtokas, Erazem Lorbek
The two best prospects right now are probably Adam Hanga and Davis Bertans.
Would Livio-Jean Charles not be considered the best prospect in the Euro system?
From RealGM, these are the players in Europe for whom we hold the draft rights. Lorbek, Sanikidze, and Richards are pretty much a scratch off at this point.
A lot of SFs on that list...
Livio Jean-Charles SF 6-7 205 20 France Deshaun Thomas F 6-7 225 22 United States Marcus Denmon G 6-3 185 23 United States Davis Bertans SF 6-9 195 21 Latvia Adam Hanga F 6-7 200 24 Hungary Ryan Richards FC 6-11 230 22 England Erazem Lorbek FC 6-11 245 29 Slovenia Viktor Sanikidze F 6-7 194 27 Georgia
Probably won't ever see Lorbek in the NBA, how long does a team hold onto professional rights?
woodnt give up on richards tbh
This is from http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q49
49. What if the team and their drafted player can't agree to a contract? What options does the player have? How long does the team keep his draft rights?
The player's options are limited. What happens depends on a number of factors:
- If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.
- If the player goes on to play college ball after he was drafted, then the team retains the player's draft rights until one year following the draft the player would have entered had he not declared early. For example, if a team drafts a college sop re in 2012 and he returns to college and plays intercollegiate basketball, then they retain his draft rights until the 2015 draft. Note that the NCAA rules state that players lose their NCAA eligibility if they are drafted, so the player currently cannot return or go on to play college ball. This rule exists in the CBA in the event the NCAA rules ever change.
- If the player was eligible to play in college before he was drafted but does not go on to play college basketball, then the team retains the player's draft rights until the draft the player would have entered had he not declared early. For example, if a team drafts a college sop re in 2012 and he does not return to college and play intercollegiate basketball, they retain his draft rights until the 2014 draft.
- For all other players, the team retains the player's draft rights until the date of the next draft.
In any of the above cases, if the team does not sign the player in the allotted time, the player can enter the next draft. If the team that selects the player in the next draft doesn't sign him either, he becomes a rookie free agent on the date of the following draft.When a team signs a first round draft pick within three years after he is drafted, they use the salary scale for the year in which he signs (usually the player signs in the same year he is drafted). After three years they have the option of either using the salary scale or signing him as if he was a free agent -- using their cap room or any available exception, with the standard raises. They can only do the latter if the player did not play intercollegiately in the interim. Such a contract must be for at least three seasons, and the salary in the first season must be greater than 120% of the applicable rookie scale amount.
So if you use a 1st rounder on a Euro who may develop into a really good player, it is an advantage to have him develop in Europe then bring him over after 3 years with a compe ive salary offer.
Bertans and Jean-Charles are the best of the bunch but they are out until march with ACL surgeries.
Thomas and Denmon are having fine season but you had to wonder how their game would translate to the NBA.
Hanga and Sanikidze are so-so players, likely not NBA material.
Lorbek was great 2 years ago, didn't want to join Spurs and he has sucked since that.
Richards has shown nothing and he seems to have serious at ude/work ethic issues.
Javtokas is too old and was never that good.
Karaulov was a true draft mistake.
Not a lot to be excited out, especially with the top 2 prospects out.
Last edited by Bruno; 01-12-2014 at 11:19 AM.
Im not sure about Livio, too weak IMO.
Like most, i do like Bertans.
Karaulov is averaging 9 points! He's miraculously getting better after averaging 0 to 1 point for many years.
i'm super excited about livo. bertans and hanga seem very interesting too. i think with all the stashes, mills, leonard... the future isn't completely awful.
I've got serious hope for Denmon. He'd be a great fit for the Spurs.
Excerpts from a 2012 Wages of Wins Denmon article below. The first part about "casually dismissing" his ability seems to have always rung true... pre-draft, and ever since, including on this board.
Curiously though, observers seem to recognize Denmon’s ability and potential, even if they casually dismiss it. Indeed, draft analysts are quick to rattle off countless positive aspects of Denmon’s game, but still rate him poorly because of the one weakness they perceive – his size.
To be fair, Nelson also adds subjective weaknesses including Denmon’s trouble creating his own shot and inability to change speeds quickly. Still, the story seems to be the same: Denmon is a very smart, efficient basketball player, but he is too small to play in the NBA. I get the size argument. I do. But does it really trump ultra-efficiency? Have there not been countless undersized players who have been successful in the NBA? (Besides, Denmon is 6-3, not 5-9). Of course, issues with size depend a great deal on a particular player’s strengths.
Marcus Denmon is good at, well, everything. But he is exceptionally good at shooting efficiently and taking care of the basketball. He is great at shooting threes and even better at the free throw line. These strike me as attributes that will translate well into the pro game. Let’s focus again on Nelson’s observations: Denmon shoots with great efficiency because he has a great shot selection; his inability to create his own shot might be an issue. In other words, Denmon doesn’t and won’t force shots. This sounds like a player who could make a substantial positive contribution at shooting guard, which is without question the weakest position in the NBA.
Sure size is important, but it’s overrated. Marcus Denmon doesn’t have size, but he plays basketball with unparalleled efficiency – he’s effiecient from the field, he’s efficient from the line, and takes great care of the basketball. Because of these things, and despite his shortcomings (pun intended), he deserves a serious look from NBA teams. And not just the ones looking to waste a late second round garbage pick.
bertrans yes but not hanga
Wouldn't surprise me to see Denmon brought into camp next season with De Colo and probably Mills moving on. I think he showed nice intangibles he showed during the summer league. I think he can play Mills' role from last year.
Thomas is probably a year behind Denmon. He needs a good summer league to gain any leverage to come over. He also needs to improve his game to the point where he could have an NBA role.
Richards has rare skills, even though he offsets that with a lack of intangibles. With Bonner and potentially Baynes moving on, Richards will probably get a camp invite. If not next year, the one after that when the big rotation is really up in the air.
Jean-Charles will come over soon. He was a first-rounder. I think the team will bring him in before the slotting expries in three years.
Bertans has as much chance of coming over this season as he does coming over in 2015. Would make a fine backup to Leonard/replacement for Bonner if he's healthy. I think he's likeliest to come over in the off-season unless he's still not recovered.
Hanga will come over in 2015. He's about the only one of the remaining players who has any chance. I actually wouldn't be surprised if three prospects made the team next season. The Spurs probably won't use their MLE on an establsihed player, since they have a one-year window and vets won't go for a short deal if they're commanding $5 Million on the open market. So the team may instead sign a few players to long-term cheap deals like they did with Blair. Doing so may be their best chance to optimize their 2015 roster. You could be talking about a third of the team making a combined $5 Million, and four of those having a year in the system already and even more professional experience overseas.
Last edited by Chinook; 01-12-2014 at 05:01 PM.
Bertans is probably the best, most nba ready guy out there. Sucks he tore his acl
If we ever did bring him to the team, they'd talk about his finger incident every game. lol
ryan richards/marcus denmon/deshaun thomas will be the next 3 prospects brought over & will have an impact......................
future spurs lineup =
kabongo/cojo
hanga/denmon
kawhi/lvjc
richards/bertans
baynes
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