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How did Canada score twenty points if there wasn't a game? Weird.Canada 20
Iran 00 (Iran decided not to show up for this tournament and blamed it on some Visa problems)
Wow.China 50
USA 117
Started yesterday. Official site www.u-21.com.ar
Yesterday results
Group A
Australia 94
Greece 81
Argentina 71
Israel 58
Canada 20
Iran 00 (Iran decided not to show up for this tournament and blamed it on some Visa problems)
Group B
Slovenia 63
Nigeria 54
China 50
USA 117
Lituania 97
Puerto Rico 81
How did Canada score twenty points if there wasn't a game? Weird.Canada 20
Iran 00 (Iran decided not to show up for this tournament and blamed it on some Visa problems)
Wow.China 50
USA 117
So how did Canada score 20?
20 - 0 is the FIBA reglamented score when the other team doesnt show up.
Official site kinda sucks, heres another link http://www.fibaamericas.com/torneos1...p?t=PHCLYUFIPT
CAN 20 Iran 00, perhaps it is some FIBA's rule ... I'll try to check it
I think it means Iran loss due to forfeit and that's the official FIBA score given when a forfeit occurs.
There are other sports that do something similar to that when a team forfeits...They do it that way in the Olympics as well.
yes, it used to be 2-0 if i remember correctly...
danyel what's the story on Carlos Sandes? He's a forward but is he a little short for that position? Undrafted? He's property of Tau. Is he locked up forever like Scola? Also do you know anything about Matias Nocedal, a 15 yo Argentine who supposedly Tau is going after with another of those 10 year deals?
are they gonna televise some of these games? I'm guessing not but it would be nice if they did.
I'm thinking Iran didn't play because of Israel being there and the tensions between the two countries.
To me, that's a bs excuse.
Yeah, most people in the media are thinking the same, they were in the same group so they were going to play against each other.
I also think it might be related with Argentina, who hosts the tournament, has asked interpol to seek and capture several iranian diplomats who are thought to be related to the AMIA, a jewish comunity center, bombing in 1994.
I don't think he is undersized for SF, he is 6-7 (2.01m) a little taller than Manu. He also has very good ballhandling skills, and can rebound. I have no idea what his contract terms with TAU are. Shouldnt he be included in next years draft? if he gets drafted, since he is 21yrs old now?
About Nocedal, I haven't heard much about him, I know he was with Basketball without borders here in Buenos Aires, and I think in Brazil too. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up signing for either TAU or Pamesa Valencia, they end up signing most players from here.
OT: I was reading about how Tau runs their team financially. They make the Spurs look like pikers. Basically the NBA foots the bill on their player contracts from the buyouts of guys like Nocioni, Maciwhaterverits, Calderon and eventually Scola and Splitter.
The new CBA is going to kill teams drafting and bringing over Euros. Givony on DraftExpress.com has a nice article on the changing face of Euro - NBA basketball dynamics.
Great article picnroll, thanks for posting it. It really puts things into perspective.
What does the new CBA have to do with it? They actually increased the amount that NBA teams can pay in a buyout from 350K to 500K.
Read the article. It does many things, creates many restricitons that Euros are not subject to, a few:
1) They can sign players at any age, i.e. 15
2) There is no limit to what they can pay, length of contract, etc.
3) They can renegotiate a contract at any time.
The article addresses that. As a summary it says that european players might not be jumping to the NBA due to several factors:
- The fact that they will be playing their rookie contracts almost for free (if you take away the buyout they have to pay from their own pocket, US national and state taxes, etc) against the money they are being offered in Europe (Fran Vazquez apparently working a 10 million NET contract for the next 4 years). Euro teams dont have a salary cap, buyout or contract length restrictions.
- Ego factors. Playing as a 3rd stringer, trash minutes in a lottery team against playing a starting position for a team that might could go deep into the Euroleague finals.
- Fellow european players that didn't succeed (Darko, Skita, etc...) and didn't get to sign that 2nd contract that might be better than what they could make in Europe. Against playing in your home country, or just a few hours away from it, playing far less games a season, etc.
If you dont take into considerations the "NBA dream playing in the best league with the best players" it really doesnt make that much sense for them to go play in the NBA.
Actually, I did read the article. Truth is that the restrictions you mention that NBA teams have and Euros don't were already factors under the old CBA. Yes, the new CBA did raise the age limit, which might be a problem, but most Euro players are not coming over here as 18 year old rookies anyway, and yes the max contract length did just get shorter, but again, what Euro rookie has ever had a 7 year contract? If you see less Euro players in the NBA in future years, don't try to blame it on the new CBA. The article mostly dealt with the factors that danyel just listed in his post, none of which will be exacerbated by the new CBA. In fact, the increase in the buy-out limit may help on rookie contracts.
A 10 year Euro contract may seem dumb to us and it may seem dumb to a 25 year old Scola but dangle a ten year contract of guaranteed money in the millions to a 15 year old who may or may not progress, who may or may not suffer a career ending injury at 18, and it probably doesn't seem like such a bad idea to them. So shorter contracts with less guaranteed money only offered to even older players per the NBA and its CBA means better players will be locked up by Euro teams well into their career.
btw I'm not advocating that the NBA should change but they are at a disadvantage. But don't be surprised when someday a 15 or 16 year old LeBron James signs with a Euro team. It almost happened in soccer with Freddy Adu where these things are the norm.
In edit:
I agree BronxCowboy that most were in place, just that the new CBA while addressing financial issues from a team/owners perspective that they view as a financial threat haven't addressed, in fact have somewhat exacerbated, a "threat" that is arising from foreign teams to the NBA as a whole. I suspect that in the future this will become an increasing concern that the NBA rules are putting the NBA at a compe ve disadvantaage in attracting talent.Truth is that the restrictions you mention that NBA teams have and Euros don't were already factors under the old CBA.
Last edited by picnroll; 08-06-2005 at 02:04 PM.
I agree that the new CBA does not exacerbate any of the issues, but it doesn't address them either.
More european prospects will rather choose to stay playing in Europe, and be locked down by their teams, as picnroll says, but it might also mean that European leagues, in some years, might become stronger and more popular, and might start attracting players from around the world even more than the NBA, offering long lucrative contracts to 18 year old players that can't be drafted.
Just think what kind of deal a strong whealthy team like CSKA Moscow might offer to someone just right out of high school in the US, or to the next Yao Ming.
I completely agree that the NBA is at a disadvantage and that the new CBA did little to address the problems; just making the point that these have been longstanding issues. Probably the CBA should have been adjusted to address this issue, but the problem lies more in the basic differences between the way the NBA and other leagues do business than in any changes made to the CBA.
Speaking of Iran, whatever happened to that 7'9 Iranian who declared for the draft a couple seasons ago?
I forgot his name. Last name started with an 'M' or something ...
My favorite part is where they refuse to play Israel. Their countries don't like each other so they are going to forfeit?Iran sues Argentina - Aug. 6, 2005 - by Mahin Gorgy
The story of Iran u21 team had a sad finish. They didn’t get the visa and lost the prestigious championship in the world.
Iran got a sear last year in Tehran as the champion of Asia. They start training since last winter. They just had long term training in Tehran and had some games with the Iranian clubs.
But after falling to get visa for men U 21 World Championship in Argentina, Iran Basketball Federation announced officially that they will sue Argentina.
In an interview Mahmood Mashhoon said to ISNA News Agency that Iran will sue Argentina: “we have practiced since last year and we spent a lot of money for our team, we have very well prepared team so on different letters to FIBA emphasized on that, now we not only want FIBA react on this matter but also we want to sue them. We wrote to WABA and FIBA ASIA about this matter, both was shocked.”
While Iran claims they get everything on the right time and Argentina didn’t want to give them visa, an official member in Argentina’s embassy in Tehran quoted they only follows the rules: the Iranian ref got his visa without any problem because he applied for his visa a month before,”
None of the Iranian officials has talked about it so far. Before going to Argentina, basketball officials said we accept all penalties but we won’t play Israel at all. Iran basketball federation expects hard days. The shadow of suspension follows them. No one can predict what will happen? The next trip is Doha where the best 3 teams will get the tickets of playing in 2006 Men World championship in Japan. Will Iran show up as the champion of West Asia or lose his chance?
Nice.
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