Spurs: Who's Had More Talent Around During Their Tenure?

[DPG21920]

Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan?

My Laker fan friend was trying to make the argument that Duncan during his career has been surrounded by more talent consistently than Kobe Bryant. What do Spur and Laker fans think? Who's had the better talent flowing through their teams throughout their careers?

[spurraider21]

During Duncan's tenure: Robinson made 3 all star teams (98, 2000, 2001), Ginobili made 2 (2005, 2011), and Parker has now made 6. (total of 11 appearances)

During Kobe's tenure: Shaq made 7, Pau made 3, Bynum made 1, Dwight made 1 (total of 12, not including Nick Van Exel in 1998, just because lol)


During Duncan's tenure: 8 teammates made all-nba teams, none of which came during championship winning seasons

During Kobe's tenure: 13 teammates made all-nba teams. had an all-nba teammate in every one of his championship winning seasons

[Mugen]

the Armenian above me bringing the goods tbh.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan?

My Laker fan friend was trying to make the argument that Duncan during his career has been surrounded by more talent consistently than Kobe Bryant. What do Spur and Laker fans think? Who's had the better talent flowing through their teams throughout their careers?

Consistently? Duncan. at their Peaks (support) it is Kobe.

Kobe has done well when he has had great support (PJ and friends) and struggled without 'em
Timmy has had Pop the whole way and either David, Manu, Tony or all 3 for his whole career.

[Killakobe81]

Also love how David is underrated on here and not given his due unless it kills the Duncan is so great narrative.

[Cry Havoc]

Consistently? Duncan. at their Peaks (support) it is Kobe.

Kobe has done well when he has had great support (PJ and friends) and struggled without 'em
Timmy has had Pop the whole way and either David, Manu, Tony or all 3 for his whole career.

He struggled with them, too. That 2004 team was about as stacked as possible, completely healthy or not.

[spurraider21]

Also love how David is underrated on here and not given his due unless it kills the Duncan is so great narrative.

i wouldn't underrate drob, but its foolish to think post injury drob (not coincidentally the one duncan was paired with) was anywhere near the mvp level drob

[Killakobe81]

He struggled with them, too. That 2004 team was about as stacked as possible, completely healthy or not.

Struggle? To hear your peers tell it since they made the Finals that team was great a success despite injuries, Colorado and the shaqqobe infighting. Kobe just shot them out of the finals ....

I hated that team tbh and more disgusted by the way they carried themselves more than I was disappointed with last year. In fact Kobe and Shaq were even more disgusting than Dwight was last year.
In fact I prefer this year's crappy team to that one even though on paper 2004 should of been amazing.

[Killakobe81]

i wouldn't underrate drob, but its foolish to think post injury drob (not coincidentally the one duncan was paired with) was anywhere near the mvp level drob

True Story. But David anchored the defense and defended Shaq and the other better "bigs" which was a tremendous help to duncan.

[spurraider21]

True Story. But David anchored the defense and defended Shaq and the other better "bigs" which was a tremendous help to duncan.

99 robinson was legit, and if it wasn't strike shortened he likely would have made the all star team, fwiw. he didnt make all nba though

[313]

Struggle? To hear your peers tell it since they made the Finals that team was great a success despite injuries, Colorado and the shaqqobe infighting. Kobe just shot them out of the finals ....

I hated that team tbh and more disgusted by the way they carried themselves more than I was disappointed with last year. In fact Kobe and Shaq were even more disgusting than Dwight was last year.
In fact I prefer this year's crappy team to that one even though on paper 2004 should of been amazing.

I remember 2004 like it was yesterday. Going downtown for the parade after the Pistons dismantled your Lakers. Good times.

[midnightpulp]

True Story. But David anchored the defense and defended Shaq and the other better "bigs" which was a tremendous help to duncan.

Someone posted a stat not too long ago showing that O'Neal; actually shot worse against Duncan than he did against Robinson. And they each defended him about 50% of the time.

Not diminishing D-Rob's work, but some Lakerfan Duncan haters (not saying you) try to rewrite history saying Duncan coasted on defense while Robinson was tasked with the dirty work.

[Koolaid_Man]

During Duncan's tenure: Robinson made 3 all star teams (98, 2000, 2001), Ginobili made 2 (2005, 2011), and Parker has now made 6. (total of 11 appearances)

During Kobe's tenure: Shaq made 7, Pau made 3, Bynum made 1, Dwight made 1 (total of 12, not including Nick Van Exel in 1998, just because lol)


During Duncan's tenure: 8 teammates made all-nba teams, none of which came during championship winning seasons

During Kobe's tenure: 13 teammates made all-nba teams. had an all-nba teammate in every one of his championship winning seasons

All your wonderful, thoughtful, fantastic, insightful analysis all boiled down....

I don't even have to say it....

[Koolaid_Man]

Someone posted a stat not too long ago showing that O'Neal; actually shot worse against Duncan than he did against Robinson. And they each defended him about 50% of the time.

Not diminishing D-Rob's work, but some Lakerfan Duncan haters (not saying you) try to rewrite history saying Duncan coasted on defense while Robinson was tasked with the dirty work.

yep...Jimmy Wishbone was pretty dam good on that D....

[LkrFan]

"Does coaching talent" count? Duncan had Pop. The whole time. Sans PJ, Kobe played for:

1. Del Harris
2. Magic
3. Kurt Rambis
4. Hamblen
5. Rudy T
6. Mr. Potato Head
7. Mike D

IJS

[baseline bum]

Laker fan likes to forget Duncan anchored a starting lineup with scrub-ass Terry Porter, scrub-ass Antonio Daniels, and scrub-ass Danny Ferry the year DRob finally started looking old.

[spurraider21]

"Does coaching talent" count? Duncan had Pop. The whole time. Sans PJ, Kobe played for:

1. Del Harris
2. Magic
3. Kurt Rambis
4. Hamblen
5. Rudy T
6. Mr. Potato Head
7. Mike D

IJS

Kobe had PJ for 11 seasons, and he had those other coaches for a combined 6 seasons (not counting this year, he only played 6 games tbh)

[LkrFan]

Laker fan likes to forget Duncan anchored a starting lineup with scrub-ass Terry Porter, scrub-ass Antonio Daniels, and scrub-ass Danny Ferry the year DRob finally started looking old.

I'd take any of them over the likes of:

1. Smush
2. Kwame
3. Chris Mihm
4. Brian Cook
5. Chucky Atkins
6. Luke Walton
7. Lamar Odumb

Kobe was supposed to take down Phoenix with ^ bag of roster?

[LkrFan]

Kobe had PJ for 11 seasons, and he had those other coaches for a combined 6 seasons (not counting this year, he only played 6 games tbh)

Duncan had Pop for 17 straight seasons. Even when Kobe had PJ, 2 of those seasons had a Charlotte Bobcatesque roster. Let that sink in for a minute.

[Clipper Nation]

I'd take any of them over the likes of:

1. Smush
2. Kwame
3. Chris Mihm
4. Brian Cook
5. Chucky Atkins
6. Luke Walton
7. Lamar Odumb

Kobe was supposed to take down Phoenix with ^ bag of roster?

Rookie Wade could win with "Odumb," you mean to tell me prime Kirby couldn't win with him? -8000 points

[LkrFan]

Rookie Wade could win with "Odumb," you mean to tell me prime Kirby couldn't win with him? -8000 points

What did they win?

[Clipper Nation]

What did they win?

More playoff series than your prime Kirby

[Clipper Nation]

Btw, "Odumb"? You need to show some respect to the second option on your most recent le teams (first option being MVPau), Hernando

[Trainwreck2100]

It should be noted Duncan took a party cut to keep his reason compe ive

[313]

Btw, "Odumb"? You need to show some respect to the second option on your most recent le teams (first option being MVPau), Hernando