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Barkley heads list of overrated 'greats'
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Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 2 hours ago
The numbers are misleading, and so is the hype. The truth is that too many "good" players are wrongly celebrated as being all-time greats. To set the record straight, here's an alphabetical list of the most overrated NBA players ever.
Charles Barkley
Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird ... Charley Rosen ranks the NBA's best players ever position by position.
# Power forwards | Small forwards
# Point guards | Shooting guards
# Centers | Sixth men | Coaches
The Round Mound of Rebound was never in acceptable game shape. But reporting to one Houston training camp 20 pounds overweight didn't prevent him from chastising his teammates for not being serious about challenging for the championship. Also, he only played defense when the spirit moved him — which was very seldom. These days, he complains about not having played with top-flight teammates — left unsaid, however, is the fact that Barkley's self-involved style of play did nothing to compliment whatever talents his teammates did have. Over the course of his career, Barkley's selfishness and total lack of discipline made him a chronic underachiever.
Walt Bellamy
He was lazy, sloppy, soft, selfish, defenseless, and useless in the clutch. The media called him "Big Bells," but his fellow players had another name for him — "Tinker Bell". His career averages of 20.1 points and 13.7 rebounds per game notwithstanding, what's Bellamy doing in the Hall of Fame?
Patrick Ewing
Patrick Ewing wasn't exactly his best when the game was on the line. (Otto Greule Jr. / Getty Images)
Had he played out of the spotlight in someplace like Orlando or Salt Lake City, Ewing would be remembered as a jump-shooting center who worked hard. Period. With the adulatory New York fans and media filtering their perceptions through the lens of their need to have heroes to celebrate, Ewing was celebrated as being far better than he really was. In truth, he couldn't handle, pass, move laterally, and do anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line. Moreover, his dim apprehension of what the game was all about precluded any thoughts of being unselfish. Except for the early days of the Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York sports fans rarely hitch their devotion to a loser like Ewing.
George Gervin
Double-G was a great scorer, smooth and virtually unstoppable. And that's all, folks. He couldn't (or didn't) pass, defend, or rebound. Gervin's idea of team basketball was when a teammate passed him the ball. Of necessity, his San Antonio teams played high-octane offense and flat-tire defense. That's why Gervin never played in a championship series.
Connie Hawkins
He could finish in spectacular ways, and he could make both plain and simple passes. Otherwise, he couldn't shoot, rebound, run, or play defense. How bad was the Hawk's defense? The first time he played in Madison Square Garden, the Suns tried to hide Hawkins' atrocious defense by matching him up with Barnett. Too bad Barnett was so insulted by the ploy that he lit up Hawkins for 35 points. Also, nobody ever accused Hawkins of having a passion to play basketball: He once told the Suns that he couldn't play that night because he had a fever. A doctor was summoned, and Hawkins' temperature registered at 98.9. As a result, Hawkins felt justified to sit on the bench in his civvies. Hawkins was all flash and very little substance.
Elvin Hayes
He could do three things — rebound, block shots, and shoot a high percentage on turnaround jumpers from the left box. He couldn't pass, handle, play honest defense, or hit a clutch shot to get into heaven. In addition, he paid no attention to the basketball alphabet of Xs and Os. All he cared about was "me-ball-basket."
Karl Malone
I've been on this guy's case many times before, and for the same reasons. He found various ways to choke in the 1996 Conference finals and in the 1997 and 1998 Finals — missed free throws, damaging turnovers, ill-advised shots, losing gambles on defense, and so on. In addition, his passing skills and his defense were both overblown, and his assist-turnover ration was a horrendous 5:4. There are only two reasons why Malone is deemed to be an elite power-forward — John Stockton, and longevity.
Bob McAdoo
Here's all anyone needs to know about McAdoo's game: When he played against the Celtics, McAdoo was usually defended by Dave Cowens. Now Cowens was a legitimate tough guy who always played with intensity, power, and courage, and whose rough-house tactics on defense would often approach minor felonies. At the start of McAdoo's matchups with Cowens, B-Mac would assume his favorite position on the left box. Perhaps he'd even get a shot off. Perhaps he'd even get fouled. But Cowens would definitely assault him with elbows, knees, hips, forearms, and fists. By the middle of the first quarter, McAdoo would post-up five feet beyond the box. By the end of the fourth quarter, he'd be looking to receive the ball near the 3-point line. Anything to avoid contact. In other words, McAdoo was nothing more than a big, quick, soft, jump-shooter deluxe.
Pete Maravich
A one-man circus who wouldn't throw a pass unless it was behind the back or through the legs or in one ear and out the other. And his completion rate was barely above .500. His ball-hogging made him unpopular with his teammates, but scored big-time with the media. It's no accident that his teams were always pretenders and never contenders. It also says here that Maravich was the worst defender in NBA history.
Gary Payton
G.P. has always been a shoot-first point guard, favoring post-ups, open middles, and high-and-low screens to locate his shots. He was also a confrontational player, demanding perfection form his teammates and his coaches, but never from himself. Payton's reputation for playing outstanding defense gained him All-Defense honors for nine seasons, and a famous nickname, "The Glove." Even so, during the 1996 Finals, the Chicago Bulls set out to prove something that they already knew — that Payton's rep was mostly bogus. In lieu of playing solid contain defense, Payton routinely gambled for steals at every opportunity, and when he failed he put his teammates in jeopardy. The Bulls limited Payton's room to maneuver by posting Michael Jordan, who had little difficulty catching, shooting, driving, and generally having his way against G.P. Payton's game was, and is, less than meets the eye.
David Robinson
This guy was a cream puff. He could come from the weak-side to block shots, but he couldn't guard his own man. He could rebound, but rarely in a crowd. He could score, but only on foul-line jumpers, or only if a defender bought a head fake after he drove his left hand into the middle. He couldn't pass or handle. He couldn't stand his ground in the paint. And, according to one of his ex-coaches, he never worked on his game in the off-season simply because he really didn't like playing basketball. Had he not played alongside of Tim Duncan, The Admiral would have been lost at sea.
Charley Rosen, former CBA coach, author of 12 books about hoops, the current one being A pivotal season — How the 1971-72 L.A. Lakers changed the NBA, is a frequent contributor to FOXSports.com.
who cares what he says?
That's the biggest bash job of David that I've ever seen .. worse than guys like Jim Rome or Stephen A Smith. Rosen is getting embarrassing.
Nice to see he got Gervin as well.
*walks away from the keyboard*
I wonder if its a similar thing as the 'Shaq got not autograph from David' vendetta...
Theres something wrong with that guy.
There is some truth to what Rosen is saying about Robinson. He was a great help defender, but one-on-one, he wasn't great (ie: 1995 Western Conference Finals--sorry to bring that back up). But for some reason, he goes a little too far in describing why they are overrated, but it's probably just to make his points stand out more.That's the biggest bash job of David that I've ever seen .. worse than guys like Jim Rome or Stephen A Smith. Rosen is getting embarrassing.
Damn....isn't that the same Shaq does all the time? And everybody calls him the most dominant force ever.
Oh you mean he couldn't hold Hakeem down? Oh well then he OBVIOUSLY couldn't defend anyone right? PFFFTTTT!!!!
Thats worse than the time Devin told me that David was soft in high school.
I saw this coming...Oh you mean he couldn't hold Hakeem down? Oh well then he OBVIOUSLY couldn't defend anyone right? PFFFTTTT!!!!
David is one of the all-time great defenders and maybe the best athlete at 7 ft. Offensively he was limited, but he was still a monster when healthy.
Plus his leadership still reigns over the team.
Rosen is clueless.
Also, Pistol Pete was the best entertainer off ever. Isn't that why we watch basketball, for entertainment?
Let's break this down...
This guy was a cream puff. (subjective and not measurable) He could come from the weak-side to block shots, but he couldn't guard his own man (Shaq would disagree. David's solo D allowed the Spurs to cover LA's shooters and split 6 years worth of les with them). He could rebound, but rarely in a crowd (You CANNOT win a rebounding crown without rebounding in a crowd. BS). He could score, but only on foul-line jumpers, or only if a defender bought a head fake after he drove his left hand into the middle. (You cannot win a scoring le with such a limited repetoir. BS) He couldn't pass or handle (Crap. Above average passer for a big man). He couldn't stand his ground in the paint ( Again, ask Shaq). And, according to one of his ex-coaches, he never worked on his game in the off-season simply because he really didn't like playing basketball. (This is probably true. Even AJ lambasted him for coasting on his gifts. One point for Rosen) Had he not played alongside of Tim Duncan, The Admiral would have been lost at sea. (David's HOF credentials were established before Tim even got here.)
Then why did you post that? Let's see, how many defensive awards did DRob earn? Do you get those by not being able to cover your man? I don't think so.
Not suprising, its the typical underrating of David Robinson and his career.I saw this coming
I never saw a great player like David, get ripped up more since hes been retired.
Not a good one on one defender???
What games did this anus watch?
Rosen is absolutely correct and infallible, because Fox and Murdochland are Fair and Balanced (r).
"We Distort, You Call Bull ."
The "real" MVP is the IBM award. How many of those did David win?
let it rest already.
That's the second time Rosen has said Gervin didn't rebound.
Clearly the asshole never saw him play or looked at his stats. Outside of Magic and TR Dunn, he was the best rebounding guard of his era.
Why dont you libs ever get fair and balanced yourselves and rip CNBC or CNN hmmm???"We Distort, You Call Bull ."
2centsworth
Since when are you forum policeman telling people what not to post?
stick it up your ass.
Wow, maybe if even half of what he said about Drob and Ice were true I would pay any attention to it.
him.
Well you talk out your ass like this when you resort to quoting an asshole coach (Larry Brown).according to one of his ex-coaches, he never worked on his game in the off-season simply because he really didn't like playing basketball.
Hmm, ask Shaq what he thought about DRob's D in '99 and '03. The Admiral played him straight up. 'Nuff said.He was a great help defender, but one-on-one, he wasn't great (ie: 1995 Western Conference Finals--sorry to bring that back up).
As for Hakeem that year, there isn't a pivot in the history game, not anyone active or anyone retired, who could have guarded the Dream that post-season. The guy was in a zone.
To bash DRob for not being able to cope with one of the all-time greatest offensive post-season displays in NBA history is shortsighted, ignorant, and altogether wreckless.
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