AndIverson and Billups's impact..
Now that the 2014 season is over, they've updated the career RAPM numbers from 1997 to 2014..these are the numbers(per 100) for players of this era that have played more than 70 000 possessions, regarding impact on their teams, tbh:
Lebron +5.63
Duncan +5.09
Shaq +5.08
Garnett +4.75
Nowitzki +4.22
Rasheed Wallace +3.36
Kobe +2.96
Nash +2.77
Carter +2.65
Kidd +2.58
Pierce +2.37
Parker +2.15
Ben Wallace +2.07
Gasol +1.76
Allen +1.76
Joe Johnson +1.15
Fisher +1.12
Marion +1.04
Billups +0.95
Iverson +0.94
Jamison +0.2
Terry +0.04
Rasheed being so high is a little surprising, tbh..
Gino had only 50000ish possessions but would be 4th on the list
https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/97-14-rapm-2
Why is Kirby so low?
Top 5 seems about right, especially if you put Manu at #4.
Such an underrated legend that is.![]()
Three Spurs in the top 15 is impressive.
Kirby might be low in RAPM, but he definitely ranks above Duncan in RAPE....
Manu's impact is elite in every advanced metric, but skewed by the lack of possessions/minutes compared to other star players..so, same old debate with Ginobili, regarding whether he would be durable enough to maintain his impact at a high-minutes volume..
Regularized Adjusted Plus Minus. Also known as one of the best advanced stats in existence.
Regularized Adjusted Plus Minus
http://www.nbastuffer.com/component/...inus%20(RAPM)/
Wow, they're using Bayesian techniques in basketball stats now? 's getting serious...
Do you think he would be able to mantain those advanced stats playing 35 mins during his prime? I think he most definitely will. They may slip a bit but not enough to stop being elite numbers.
You also thought Ginobili wouldn't score 20 pts on a game ever again so excuse me for not giving a about your opinions.
In his prime with starter minute I'm pretty sure Manu would be very high on such a list
Wallace that high is kinda red flag of that stat tho
Sounds like you're giving plenty of s by responding in the first place![]()
Manu Ginobili is the greatest international player of all time and a definite Top 50 player of all time.
He had the league's highest RAPM in 2006-2007 the year Tony Parker won MVP.
It is not that far off to suggest that Manu could have had 3 FMVP if he chose to advertise himself more or be the focus (2005, 2007, 2013). He rightfully knows however that future human beings will be able to calculate true value and will laugh at the fact that previously media people put in 7 votes to see who got FMVP etc.
Last edited by Gino-Step; 06-18-2014 at 07:18 PM.
Kobe might want to start raping mathematicians as well, 's not looking good.
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