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Well if you are under orders to cut payroll and can't move the beiggest non-core contract....
Doesn't make it a good idea though.
So what if it came down to a choice betwen keeping Brent or Devin?
Maybe i missed it but i havn't heard anyone talk about Barry in a long time.
http://www.lockedonsports.blogspot.com/
This is the same site that broke the news that Wilkens did NOT get the offer from the wolves a week or two ago. Its local Seatle sports i guess.
Wednesday, August 17, 2005
SONICS EXPECT WILKINS TO GET OFFER SHEET AND SONICS MAY LURE DALE DAVIS TO SEATTLE
Here is the latest on the Supersonics.
Expectations are the in the next day or two you will see a 5 year 14.6 million dollar offer sheet from the Minnesota Timberwolves to Damien Wilkins. According to numerous reports the Wolves have already used 2.5 million of their mid-level exception to sign Eddie Griffin leaving just 2.5 million to start to offer for Wilkins.
There is a little game of cat and mouse going on here as the Wolves have delayed announcing the Griffin because it allows the Sonics to know what they are going to offer Wilkins in an offer sheet. Remember the Sonics have to use their mid-level to re-sign Wilkins.
Wilkins and his agent Mark Bartelstein have told the Sonics that Wilkins would rather not return to Seattle because he doesn’t want to be behind Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis for the length on the contract. The Wolves have told Wilkins he would start.
The Sonics have the deal done for Vitaly Potapenko and he is going through physicals and all of that before it is announced.
However, the Sonics are not done on the center front. DeSanga Diop is out of the picture as he is expected to sign with Dallas, but the Sonics are still in strong conversations with Dale Davis and his agent Chubby Wells.
Detroit is hot after Davis as well but they may have to use their entire mid-level to sign newly release Michael Finley. Finley to Detroit would be good for the Sonics quest after Dale Davis.
The update on Finley is Detroit, Phoenix, San Antonio and the Heat are all hot after him.
The Sonics have their entire mid-level to use for both Wilkins and Davis and may end up with both of them.
One other note I am hearing around the league that the Spurs are trying to move Brent Barry only after one year with the team.
Well if you are under orders to cut payroll and can't move the beiggest non-core contract....
Doesn't make it a good idea though.
So what if it came down to a choice betwen keeping Brent or Devin?
No!!!!!!!!! Brent is a keeper!
I don't think it is true. They need a good shooter and after a season with our team I think he will do better.
Much as I really like them both, I would keep Brent over Devin.
You go with Devin because he's got more upside...younger and cheaper. Barry is 34.
But this move sill leaves the Spurs with SF problems. I don't see them doing it with the current roster.
No credibility at all.
Here's why ..
The Sonics don't even have the mid-level exception. They are under the cap.The Sonics have their entire mid-level to use for both Wilkins and Davis and may end up with both of them.
No, Barry needs one more year. I see him breaking out next year.
thanks for exposing their stupidity, had me worried.
I'm not saying that the Spurs would never move Barry. I think the Spurs are usually willing to trade just about anyone for the right deal.
Actually, counting the unrenounced value of all the free agents the Sonics still hold the rights to -- Radmanovic, Potopenko, Evans, Murray, Wilkins and whoever else -- the Sonics are likely nominally over the cap. Radman alone counts about $9.5 million against the cap, for example. The Sonics only have to be under the cap for less than the total of the available exceptions to be able to claim the exceptions in full.
Confused?
I am, and I just typed it.
Really what they are ignoring in Seattle's situation is Radmanovic. Until they renounce him, trade him or re-sign him, he is counting 300% against the Sonics' cap ($9+M). They reportedly have about $13M in cap space, but with $9M tied up on Radman right now, they can't do much in free agency until he's taken care of first.
I think they have already conceded to losing Wilkins. They are trying to re-sign Potapenko, Evans, Murray and Radmanovic.
Funny we typed similar things at the same time.
Right you are. I guess they are expecting to re-sign Radman. I think they have agreed to terms with Vitaly, so his cap hit will change.
Great minds... = )
I understand that they offered Radman three different contracts - a long term contract worth over $50M, a three year deal, and a one year deal and he hasn't accepted any of them. I'm guessing he'll end up coming back for one year.
That could be interesting if he does take the qualiying offer -- they might have the ability to keep him and make a higher-than-MLE offer to another player. Probably won't happen, but it's all about possibilities I suppose.
Like this qualifies as news. If your name isn't Tim, Manu, or Tony, you're being shopped. , I'd argue for the right deal Tony would be gone too.
If Brent Barry was Afro-American would anyone care?
What if they could sign Finley cheaper than Brent's contract? Do you think Finley= or > Brent? Would that make Brent expendable?
Personally I like Barry and have no complaints about Finley but wouldn't see the point in keeping both--although Finley could maybe play a little more at SF
The Spurs are a longshot to land Finley. Limited $ and limited minutes.
Are you serious?
A team under the salary cap can use the MLE it just depends how far under the cap they are. There total team salary plus all exceptions must be more than the salary cap and if not the MLE exception cannot be used.
Here is an explanation of the MLE option for teams from:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#18
18. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?
If a team has Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player Exceptions, and they are below the cap, then these exceptions are added to the team's team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole. The concept is the same as the one behind free agent amounts (see question numbers 27 , 28 , 29 , 30 ). The idea is that the order in which exceptions are used should not matter. Free agent amounts keep teams from taking advantage of temporarily being under the cap by signing other teams' free agents using their cap room, and then re-signing their own free agents using a Bird exception. Because of free agent amounts, there's no difference between signing their free agents first and other teams' free agents second, or the other way around, signing other teams' free agents first and their own free agents second. Similarly, a team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to the team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing this, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.
So it is not true that being under the cap necessarily means a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $42.5 million, and a team has $36 million committed to salaries. They also have a mid-level exception for $4.5 million and a traded player exception for $5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $45.5 million, or $3 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and must instead use an exception.
Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their traded player and mid-level exceptions, then the $9.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $36 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).
A team may lose their exceptions (Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player), or never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then teams don't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they still have are lost.
For example, with a $42.5 million salary cap, assume it's the offseason, and a team has $34 million committed to salaries, along with a mid-level exception for $4.5 million, a traded player exception for $3 million, and an unrenounced free agent whose free agent amount is $2 million. Their salaries and exceptions total $43.5 million, or $1 million over the cap. What if their free agent signs with another team? Their salaries drop to $34 million, so their salaries and exceptions now total $41.5 million. This total is below the cap so the team loses their mid-level and traded player exceptions.
There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. However, if a team salary is ever so low that they're not going to be over the cap even if they use all their exceptions, then the concept of an exception which allows them to function above the cap is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away.
Yeah I realize all that. I understand from reading the Seattle and national papers that they are $13-15M under the cap (not counting Radman's cap hit) and don't have the MLE. Maybe they are wrong.
Either way, Seattle can't do much until they do something with Radmanovic.
I hope it's not true. Barry played well against the Pistons. He has a high basketball IQ and is good at the end of games. He is also apparently one of the spokesmen for the Spurs even though he has only been a Spur for a year.
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