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Oh man, so disapointed in him. I wonder if he really believes what he's saying or if he's playing politics. I have a feeling it is the latter.
McCain sounds like presidential hopeful
A.E. Araiza / Arizona Daily Star
AZ StarnetU.S. Sen. John McCain knows why he wants to be president. He isn't running for the job - officially. That won't happen, if it happens at all, until after next year's midterm elections
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On Tuesday, though, he sided with the president on two issues that have made headlines recently: teaching intelligent design in schools and Cindy Sheehan, the grieving mother who has come to personify the anti-war movement.
McCain told the Star that, like Bush, he believes "all points of view" should be available to students studying the origins of mankind.
The theory of intelligent design says life is too complex to have developed through evolution, and that a higher power must have had a hand in guiding it.
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Can we stop calling McCain a Moderate now? I wonder if by 'all points of view' McCain means teaching theories on Creation other than the Christian view.
Oh man, so disapointed in him. I wonder if he really believes what he's saying or if he's playing politics. I have a feeling it is the latter.
What the ? McCain says that their may be a higher power guiding the development of life and y'all act like your new puppy got run over by a steamroller.
FYI: most people (and voters) believe this to some extent.
Addendum: Do you think an atheist/agnostic will actually get elected in this country? I mean, there are still people handling snakes in the Ozarks.
"So disappointed." You mean you finally have the evidence that has eluded evoultionists in presenting it as fact rather than the far-fetched, full-of-holes theory it is?
Disappointed that he doesn't find the humor in bashing Christianity like you or because like most Americans he sees through the very trasparent facade Sindy has attempted to foist off as remorse for her son? Both?
Guess what? To further disappoint you McCain doesn't think aborting 55,000,000 babies annually is"trivial ".
John McCain : We must begin a dialogue and a discussion on the issue of abortion. Both pro-life & pro-choice people believe very strongly that we need to eliminate abortion. I and my wife, Cindy, are proud adoptive parents. We need to encourage adoption in America. We need to improve foster care dramatically. We can work together. We can have respectful disagreements on specific issues, and we can work together on this one.
Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999
Uh oh, Joch wants to argue evolution now? Throw in the clever new spelling of a woman's name. Wow. We've been down this path in this forum before.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, MFD Part Deux!
Actually, that would be some if Joch was really MFD coming back. The likeness is striking.
Mr. Bold, if you want to talk facts (the bolded variety) then i'd dare (even defy) you to present and support anything you've ever said in this forum as fact (the bolded kind)
BTW we both know thats not what manny meant so why ask it
you seem a little perturbed about christianity bashing....almost....angry (the bolded type of anger)
Last edited by Cant_Be_Faded; 08-24-2005 at 04:31 PM. Reason: I bolded more words to make them seem more factual and important
"their may be a higher power guiding the development of life"
ID is nothing but a wedge for the fairy tale of New Earth creationism.
The Christian Taliban has the Repug party's balls in their hands, and the Repugs hearts and minds follow. Now we know why they're all a bunch of balless, less jackasses.
Thanks for noticing the new spelling. I figured if I didn't throw in some Scripture you'd take a closer look at the content.Uh oh, Joch wants to argue evolution now? Throw in the clever new spelling of a woman's name. Wow. We've been down this path in this forum before.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, MFD Part Deux!
Actually, that would be some if Joch was really MFD coming back. The likeness is striking.
Well, you're more than likely right.Thanks for noticing the new spelling. I figured if I didn't throw in some Scripture you'd take a closer look at the content.
who is mfd?
McCain has always been a conservative. He just isn't a toadie that falls in line with whatever the administration says. He tossed away a lot of the credibility he had at the Republican convention my kissing the ring of the man who trashed him and his family all in the name of keeping his ambition alive for '08.
It's beginning to look like ambition is beating out principle with him these days.
If evolutionary theory is "far-fetched" and "full of holes," then so are germ theory and the theory of gravity. Evolution has more empirical support than either of those two.
So good Christians need to question whether antibiotics and antiviral drugs really are the answer to disease, especially when the Bible makes clear that many ailments are caused by demon possession or inappropriate practice of the Eucharist.
Also, the theory of gravity has many holes. While scientists can explain mathematically how much gravity there is, they cannot explain where the force comes from, despite fiddling with "quantum" "subatomic" "theories" for over a century. Meanwhile, Colossians 1:17 and Hebrews 1:3, when interpreted properly, clearly describe the action of Jesus holding everything together on the Earth. But do they teach that in Physics class? No!
To my recollection they didn't teach either evolution or creationism when I was in school in the 70s and 80s. And I graduated knowing a of a lot more than kids seem to know today. It seems to me that kids today aren't even graduating with a solid understanding of biology, physics, chemistry, geography, history and so many other important subjects. Honestly, when I talk to high school kids today, I'm astounded at what they don't know.
Creationism can be taught in Sunday school and Evolution can be taught in college. I think the whole debate is a waste of time and energy and is seriously putting the cart before the horse.
John McCain is a straight shooter. He thinks he's doing all the right things for a set up for 2008. He's backing Bush to the hilt, not realizing that the conservative wing of the GOP doesn't like him at ALL, and that Dubyah will ONLY back him if Condi or Jeb doesn't run. They're going to him without lube, and he was instrumental in keeping peace in the GOP and winning a VERY close election in 2004, after some decidedly ugly campaigning in 2000.
If anything, the creationism/intelligent design/evolution debate is a win for the people who want to eventually privatize schools. Then parents can just decide where to send their kids based on what is taught.
You forgot the #1 issue in America today...that missing blond chick.
It's heading in that direction. My wife had taught in the private sector (Christian Acadamies) for the last 16 years and just took a job with a Charter School this year. Charter Schools are booming because many of the public schools in our state have gone to pot!
It's a morality based curriculum but because of the separation of Church and State rule there's no mention of God/Christ, etc.
Intelligent Design <> Creationism.
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I agree.
ID is a legitimate philosophical field of study. It's not science, though. And given that you get a lot of people with a theological axe to grind, there is a lot of fallacious thinking through which one must sift.
However, Creationism, aka Creation Science, is a load of crap. Only the stupid and the insane believe that garbage. They maintain that the entire earth was created out of nothing in 144 hours just 6000 years ago, and that all geological formations were formed in a 40-day global flood, and that before that, there was an ocean in the sky surrounding the globe and the sky was pink and people rode around on dinosaurs and lived for 900 years and were ruled by creatures that were the offspring of humans and angels in a highly advanced society exceeding even what we have today. Oh yeah, did I mention the sky was pink?
It's almost as bad as Scientology.
"Intelligent Design <> Creationism."
Politically, strategically, ID is a wedge enabling Creationism.
ie, once the silliness called ID is accepted as "scientific theory", then the gates are open for Creationism. aka, the relentless dumbing down of America in the name of "religion".
The political objective of the IDers/Creationist is to create confusion, not clarity, so that their unscientific POV will gain, in the fog they produce, credence as "science" by the tourists who can't think for themselves and/or who are still "impressionable" (intellectually recruitable, not matter what the chronological age).
I don't think that religion is the cause for the dumbing down of America; I would propose that families that take their kids to religious services as a family are more likely to be involved with their children in general and care more about their educational progress.aka, the relentless dumbing down of America in the name of "religion".
I'd vote for John McCain.
So would a lot of people, including fiscally conservative republicans such as myself.
Exactly. What about healthcare, social security, immagration laws and law enforcement?
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