So what you s make of the new AMD CEO?

[baseline bum]

Would not tap tbh



Will AMD ever make a good desktop CPU again? From K6 to Phenom II x4 AMD always had really solid CPUs both in the value and performance segments of the market, but now they can only run low-end crap like the PS4.

[Cry Havoc]

Yahoo still winning in dat race, tbh

[baseline bum]

Yahoo still winning in dat race, tbh

Still, even with a manly ette in charge I'm not sure that I'll trust AMD again on the desktop tbh. Intel has made no real gains since Sandy Bridge and AMD still can't catch up for .

220W desktop cpus that can't touch 84W i5's
but moar corez and 5 GHz turbo

[Cry Havoc]

Still, even with a manly ette in charge I'm not sure that I'll trust AMD again on the desktop tbh. Intel has made no real gains since Sandy Bridge and AMD still can't catch up for .

220W desktop cpus that can't touch 84W i5's
but moar corez and 5 GHz turbo

Their APUs are really solid price/performance wise, and their GPUs are still beating NVidia most of the time.

Definitely in trouble though. Intel's just been dropping bombs lately.

[resistanze]

I still remember the days of overclocking my Athlon XP 2500+ to a 3200+ by just cranking up the FSB. Best value for money on the market. Sad.

[baseline bum]

Their APUs are really solid price/performance wise, and their GPUs are still beating NVidia most of the time.

Definitely in trouble though. Intel's just been dropping bombs lately.

AMD kills Nvidia in the midrange right now with the R9 290 in the $250 range, but when the GTX 960 releases they could really be in a lot of trouble. Hopefully the R9 390x lives up to the hype and doesn't end up being the kind of epic fail the FX-9590 was. But their last release was pretty so-so: who was excited about the R9 285 when it performs like a 280 with 1GB less RAM and a little lower power usage while costing >$50 more?

[baseline bum]

I still remember the days of overclocking my Athlon XP 2500+ to a 3200+ by just cranking up the FSB. Best value for money on the market. Sad.

I remember when the Athon XP's just all over the Pentium 4's in flat out performance, and not just price for performance.

And now they get ing smoked in both

[baseline bum]

Definitely in trouble though. Intel's just been dropping bombs lately.

What bombs are Intel dropping though since 2011? A Haswell i5 doesn't perform too differently from a Sandy Bridge i5. AMD's complete failure to respond in these last four years has allowed Intel to focus on power consumption and try to save their mobile division.

EDIT: I guess the G3258 could be considered a bomb since it has taken over the absolute budget range.

[ElNono]

Intel is really into trying to capture the mobile market now... this is why you see the onus on power consumption and reduced lithography on the latest procs...

[baseline bum]

Intel is really into trying to capture the mobile market now... this is why you see the onus on power consumption and reduced lithography on the latest procs...

It's the only place there is any compe ion tbh. Aren't they getting murdered by ARM?

[Cry Havoc]

Intel is really into trying to capture the mobile market now... this is why you see the onus on power consumption and reduced lithography on the latest procs...

That's the point I was making. Their cores are getting incredibly efficient. But they may not have adapted fast enough for the mobile market.

[Venti Quattro]

Would not tap tbh



Will AMD ever make a good desktop CPU again? From K6 to Phenom II x4 AMD always had really solid CPUs both in the value and performance segments of the market, but now they can only run low-end crap like the PS4.

She looks like she will chant Dear Leader

[DarrinS]

Best first line followed by pic ever

[baseline bum]

That's the point I was making. Their cores are getting incredibly efficient. But they may not have adapted fast enough for the mobile market.

????

Haswell is less efficient than Ivy

[ElNono]

It's the only place there is any compe ion tbh. Aren't they getting murdered by ARM?

They are at the moment... but they've made great progress in the last couple of years. You can now get Core M Broadwell with TDP as low as 4.5W.

If their 10nm process can bring that down to under 4W, they'll be in great shape to compete with ARM.

[ElNono]

????

Haswell is less efficient than Ivy

Efficient in what sense? Haswell is more efficient in power-consumption, AFAIK

[baseline bum]

Efficient in what sense? Haswell is more efficient in power-consumption, AFAIK

In mobile? Isn't the desktop Ivy lower power than the desktop Haswell?

[baseline bum]

They are at the moment... but they've made great progress in the last couple of years. You can now get Core M Broadwell with TDP as low as 4.5W.

If their 10nm process can bring that down to under 4W, they'll be in great shape to compete with ARM.

????

I thought Broadwell wasn't releasing until the middle of 2015.

[ElNono]

In mobile? Isn't the desktop Ivy lower power than the desktop Haswell?

They're both the same lithography, 22nm, but Haswell is an improved process. On the desktop versions there isn't much difference, with both going down up to 35W TDP.

Haswell, though, added a few variants:

ULT: targeted to ultrabooks, can go down to 13.5W TDP
ULX: targeted towards tablets, can go down to 10W TDP

[ElNono]

????

I thought Broadwell wasn't releasing until the middle of 2015.

I think you're thinking of Skylake. Broadwell was delayed, but there has been a few broadwell laptops on sale since October:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...tels-broadwell

http://www.notebookcheck.net/First-I....129643.0.html

[baseline bum]

I think you're thinking of Skylake. Broadwell was delayed, but there has been a few broadwell laptops on sale since October:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...tels-broadwell

You can actually buy that now? I don't think Broadwell desktop is coming out until the middle of next year, with Skylake scheduled right after.

[baseline bum]

They're both the same lithography, 22nm, but Haswell is an improved process. On the desktop versions there isn't much difference, with both going down up to 35W TDP.

Haswell, though, added a few variants:

ULT: targeted to ultrabooks, can go down to 13.5W TDP
ULX: targeted towards tablets, can go down to 10W TDP

You think Intel ever goes with a RISC chip to try to get that lower, or do they just have too much invested in x86?

[ElNono]

You can actually buy that now? I don't think Broadwell desktop is coming out until the middle of next year, with Skylake scheduled right after.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-y...=1219359675368

[ElNono]

You think Intel ever goes with a RISC chip to try to get that lower, or do they just have too much invested in x86?

If they can get x86 down to 3W TDP, I think they're set. That's what an ARM CPU uses these days. I mean, the latest CPUs are basically a SoC already. USB3, gfx, hardware video decoding are all built into the CPU already.

[ElNono]

Once they get the CPU down to that kind of TDP, improving Iris Pro is the next step.