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I'd have bumped the other thread had I been able to find one. Was there one?
I'd have bumped the other thread had I been able to find one. Was there one?
The protests over this in Mexico are widespread. I shudder to think of the crackdown.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._a_nation.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-30357772
http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/07/laws-...ers-in-mexico/
Don't remember one.
Guess another group of dead Mexicans dying tragically in drug gang related violence didn't move the needle much.
Pity.
Perhaps the media fears finding another Eric Holder gun at the scene. Best to avoid that sticky topic, eh?
Something like 13,000 narco related murders in Mexico since 2006. I've heard it through the grapevine that the drug cartels launder their money in Houston and recruit soldiers in Texas prisons. Cartel profits and drug violence are exported from the US to Mexico, the reverse not nearly so much.
We are starting to export weed from Colorado to Mexico. We grow it far more potent than they do. American business people FTW.
This board isn't the media.
Besides, gunwalking started under the Bush administration.
Thank God! Although the media isn't much better.
My comment was related to the observation that events receiving a lot of media attention generally prompt a thread or two in here. When the media is quiet on a topic, many times, so is this forum.
How many guns lost during the Bush administration turned up at the hundreds of murders of Mexican civilians and the murder of a US Border Patrol Agent?
Except the media has been reporting this quite well.
Who knows?How many guns lost during the Bush administration turned up at the hundreds of murders of Mexican civilians and the murder of a US Border Patrol Agent?
They weren't even tracked that well.
Are you saying that it's OK that hundreds of guns went missing in Mexico after the Bush administration let them go?
Just come right out and say you think it's OK.
Like I said, my comment was related to an observation about this forum. And, I disagree the media has given this the coverage it deserves.
I'm sure someone does. And, I'm equally sure if it were bad news for the Bush administration, this forum would have been all over it. That we don't know tells me there was a fundamental difference in the way the two administration approached their respective programs.
How do you know?
I'm saying that there are fundamental differences in the way the two administration ran the program, only one of which (that we know of) resulted in the weapons being found at hundreds of murder scenes and the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
I think Obama's methods must have been ed up.
I don't understand how any person can believe in one American political party so much.
Give examples. Tell us all the media you monitor every day that you can make that claim.
Yes, the Bush administration was better at making the guns permanently disappear into the Mexican drug cartels. Good for your team!I'm sure someone does. And, I'm equally sure if it were bad news for the Bush administration, this forum would have been all over it. That we don't know tells me there was a fundamental difference in the way the two administration approached their respective programs.
You just said we would know if they were found.How do you know?
You're saying it's better than the Bush administration permanently lost the guns to the Mexican drug cartels with no way to recover them. Good for your team!I'm saying that there are fundamental differences in the way the two administration ran the program, only one of which (that we know of) resulted in the weapons being found at hundreds of murder scenes and the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
I think Bush's were as well. You will never admit that. That is why you are a partisan hack.I think Obama's methods must have been ed up.
lol "not a Republican"
it's bubba rabble-rousers, Corp-America, ed un able
vs
kenyan prez, fake long form, benghazi-gate, fast n furious-gate, gruber-gate
I think you misunderstand my postion; it's that I believe in this President so little.
Oh off, all you do is spout is Republican talking points and defend that party to the death. You're boutons.
This isn't true and we've gone over this before.
Y'all just never bring up topics on which we agree.
I vehemently disagreed with Bush's financial policies in the last year of his presidency. Totally ed up in doing Obama a solid and releasing the TERP funds when he was a lame duck.
I think the War on Drugs is costing us in lives and treasure and should be abandoned.
I think we probably agree on the increasingly militaristic practices of the police -- mostly as it relates to their war on drugs and no knock warrants..
No, I'm not a shill for the Republicans or Bush, I just think you're wrong on the issues that I argue for.
You're a complete shill for the Republicans, boutons. LOL at that got being up on Rushmore.
lol @ the "I'm not boutons" defense
BTW, back to the topic at hand, I think the kids are all dead... a terrible episode of narco-violence which hopefully will be a turning point for Mexico...
I agree.
And, it wasn't so much a "I'm not boutons" defense (because, really, who is?) but a "I'm not a Republican shill" defense. Just because someone won't dump on Republicans because others have a burr up their butt over something doesn't make them a shill. It's just that on the topics in question, the case has never been made.
You do come across as a red team shill, just as much as boutons comes across as a blue team shill.... it might be unintentional... but it is what it is...
It's just because I refuse to jump on the BDS bandwagon in here.
I'm fairly sure boutons thinks he's fighting for something too...
Maybe.
I guess I don't get what you're driving at.
If you want me to prove my anti-Bush or anti-Republican creds, pick a topic on which I disagree with them. But, the problem with that is, we agree, and the thread dies.
I don't know the differences between Fast and Furious and the Bush-era gunwalking programs but, we DO know which program resulted in guns being found at the scene of hundreds of Mexican murders and we DO know which program resulted in the death of a US Border Patrol agent. It's not enough to simply claim Bush did it too without explaining why Bush's program didn't result in similar problems.
And, this "torture" debate has been absolutely worn threadbare. The Bush administration went to extraordinary lengths to satisfy themselves that the techniques they were using were legal. They stand by that assessment. This report doesn't change any of that. It also doesn't help that the strongest critics were on-board with the Bush administration post-911 activities - both in passing the AUMF in Afghanisan and Iraq. Sorry, I have little sympathy for terrorists who endured some discomfort, mere days after over 3,000 innocent Americans died at their hands.
This "report" was authored completely by Democrats. It reaches a conclusion that is refuted by every CIA Director, include Obama's current DI; that the techniques did not result in actionable intelligence. To a one, they all say otherwise; that the enhanced interrogation techniques led to the location of OBL and that it saved lives and thwarted terrorist attacks.
Pick a topic over which I agree and we'll dispense with the kum-bah-yah in a very short thread.
Ask me about Bush approving the release of TARP funds a few months before he left office. Probably the worst ing thing he did.
Ask me about Bush partnering with manslaughterer Teddy Kennedy on Education and I about vomit.
Ask me about the idiotic Republican War on Drugs and I don't think you'll find much difference in our position.
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