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corn ethanol and the ethanol mandate are insane REPUG inventions.
it's not EVs' fault that BigCoal is so dirty, and so resistant to becoming clean. It's REPUG states and AGs fighting EPA pollution rules, not EV mfrs, owners.
STUDY: YOUR ALL-ELECTRIC CAR MAY NOT BE SO GREEN
Even notice how dirty and sooty an ethanol pump is? Nasty.WASHINGTON (AP) -- People who own all-electric cars where coal generates the power may think they are helping the environment. But a new study finds their vehicles actually make the air dirtier, worsening global warming.
Ethanol isn't so green, either.
"It's kind of hard to beat gasoline" for public and environmental health, said study co-author Julian Marshall, an engineering professor at the University of Minnesota. "A lot of the technologies that we think of as being clean ... are not better than gasoline."
corn ethanol and the ethanol mandate are insane REPUG inventions.
it's not EVs' fault that BigCoal is so dirty, and so resistant to becoming clean. It's REPUG states and AGs fighting EPA pollution rules, not EV mfrs, owners.
So coal and corn ethanol are bad.
OK, get rid of them.
Good article, yoni.
When will you stop with your chronic lying?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll040.xml
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00226
What are you doing using technology made and run by BigTech?
I just wish he'd post in complete coherent sentences.
So basically the issue is the source of power from the power grid, not the car.
When will you pull you head out of your Repug ass?
"The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) program regulations were developed in collaboration with refiners, renewable fuel producers, and many other stakeholders.
The RFS program was created under the Energy Policy Act (EPAct) of 2005, and established the first renewable fuel volume mandate in the United States"
The big ethanol states are nearly all red (rural, ignorant) states.
Yep.
I agree with yoni that coal is bad.
Yes. An issue known and ignored by EV vehicle purchasers so they could claim to be more green than those in their Hummers (which, depending on where you live, are greener than EVs).
I don't have a problem with coal. I have a problem with environmentalists thinking they've got it all figured out when, obviously, they don't.
Who remembers the fiasco of adding the oxygenate MTBE to gasoline in California. They're still recovering from that.
Gasoline cars are cleaner than they've ever been -- and they're only getting cleaner. Find an alternative and I'll use it when the gasoline runs out. Just don't force it down my throat.
So what is your problem with electric cars?
I could hazard a guess from a pure scientific standpoint. Plug in where your electricity is generated by coal and the energy loss from burning coal for electricity, electricity to grid, electricity to car, electricity converted to power on road is significant. Lots dirtier than burning gas.
But yoni doesn't have a problem with coal.
Nope, I don't.
OK, show me the legislation and votes.
I showed you the one that mandated the ethanol usage. HR6 became public law 110-140.
What 2005 legislation are you speaking of? What were the votes?
Put up your shut up your sorry ass.
Who cares what the color of the state is? It was primarily a democrat feel-good stupid vote. Of course the farmers are going to appreciate the guaranteed demand, no matter what color they vote!
Are you deliberately being daft to look for a strawman building contest and tear-down contest?
People who own all-electric cars where coal generates the power
I would agree. I'll bet the percentage of energy in coal that makes it to the wheels is far less than the percentage of energy in gasoline making it to the wheels. That along with the aerosols of coal, vs. almost no pollution from modern car engines.
Who said I had a problem with electric cars? I'd own a Tesla.
And, I don't really have a problem with the people that drive them or, the people that believe they're saving the environment by doing so. Good on them.
I just think people should be aware that, perhaps, electric vehicles aren't the great and wonderful solution some who have bought them believe they are. If you're truly buying and driving an electric vehicle to reduce pollution and/or your carbon footprint, perhaps you should know that driving one in an area where it is recharged using power from a coal-fired generating plant will have the opposite effect. Just sayin'.
OK.
Another great thread.
Maybe you should read and understand the law you speak of before you speak mistruths about it:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-10...-109publ58.pdf
Please show me where in Public law 109-58, which is the legislation you speak of, where it mandated the year round 10% ethanol. It set up several test programs and incentives, but only mandated 10% blended fuel during high ozone seasons. States like mine, Oregon, have been doing this for years already. Republicans were for looking into these options, but against implementing them the two years later.
No...
You need to look no farther than your demonrats.
Again, thank you.
I'm sure many people who buy electric cars are against relatively dirty sources of energy in principle, so I don't see the disconnect.
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