The PG position in the Pop/Bud system..

[Malik Hairston]

Jeff Teague's numbers this year: 22.7 PER, ridiculous 60% TS, 3.1 VORP, 7 APG, 31.5 MPG

The Hawks are 5-0 without Teague

2012-2013 Tony Parker's numbers(MVP-caliber season, according to many): 23 PER, 59% TS, 2.5 VORP, 7.6 APG, 32.9 MPG

The Spurs were 8-3 without Parker that season


Does the Pop/Bud system severely inflate the perception of the star PG/highest-usage players' impact on the game, tbh?

[Cry Havoc]

Oh hey, another thread that needed to be created.

Cool.

[Malik Hairston]

You guys wanted a serious basketball discussion..let's discuss..

The numbers are there, the comparison is there..the Teague-led Hawks are on pace to win 60 games, like the prime Parker-led Spurs of 2012/2013..

Is it the PG or the system?

[ChumpDumper]

I think both teams are very good basketball teams.

[313]

I think both teams are very good basketball teams.

This.

And I don't know if you caught many Hawks games before this year but Jeff has always been a pretty good point guard. His fg percentage(specifically mid range) is up likely due to Buds system.

I understand the comparison though.

[ElNono]

Well, the players are certainly working for those numbers... I think the system probably helps them maximize their skills, but you gotta put forth the work, and that's on the player...

There's no smoke and mirrors here. Besides the talented PG, you also have a machinery around that helps a lot. You need the floor spacers, the ball movement, the pace, the defense. The system is always there, but finding the right players that buy in is just as important.

[apalisoc_9]

I don't think it has anything to do with the system, but PG's in general. Sure Curry, Westbrook, Lowry and Paul are studs, but most PG's this year and the year before have had minimal overall impact compared to stars of other positions for their teams while at the same time having the biggest usage rate. It's even worse for Middle of the pack and tier teams as well...The suns system is the exception.

[ChumpDumper]

It's shocking that a team with five players capable of getting 20+ points in any game can go without one of those players for a time during the regular season, isn't it?

[apalisoc_9]

yeah the spurs are doing just fine without Leonard

8-8 last year

8-8 this year..

[ChumpDumper]

yeah the spurs are doing just fine without Leonard

8-8 last year

8-8 this year..

I understand the regular season is as important to you as your need to disparage Spurs players.

[apalisoc_9]

It's shocking that a team with five players capable of getting 20+ points in any game can go without one of those players for a time during the regular season, isn't it?

yeah the spurs are doing just fine without Leonard

8-8 last year

8-8 this year..

[ChumpDumper]

I understand the regular season is as important to you as your need to disparage Spurs players.

[Malik Hairston]

Why does ChumpDumper derail every thread, tbh?

He's like Culburn with a larger vocabulary..

[TDfan2007]

Why does ChumpDumper derail every thread, tbh?

He's like Culburn with a larger vocabulary..

Because he's an armchair smartass. I haven't read a basketball take from him in years. It's usually just some pretentiously sarcastic response to the OP of a thread. Shame too. The guy probably has a lot to offer.

[ChumpDumper]

I gave my basketball take.

Did you miss it?

[Cry Havoc]

I understand the regular season is as important to you as your need to disparage Spurs players.

[Mr Bones]

It's not just the Pop/Bud system... The Bulls--the best team of the 90s-- started two SGs in the backcourt and had their SF bring the ball up court. The most dominant team before them was the Lakers, whose "PG" was a converted forward who was 6'9". The 80s Celtics also had a Forward who was more important than their PG. The Miami Heat never had a great PG on their three championship teams. I think versatility trumps one "floor general" who also happens to be the shortest guy on the court.

[unleashbaynes]

I gave my basketball take.

Did you miss it?

I definitely saw where you tried to be a smartass and got on by ing apolisoc of all people

[hater]

Chump going HAM

[ElNono]

^

[cantthinkofanything]

It's not just the Pop/Bud system... The Bulls--the best team of the 90s-- started two SGs in the backcourt and had their SF bring the ball up court. The most dominant team before them was the Lakers, whose "PG" was a converted forward who was 6'9". The 80s Celtics also had a Forward who was more important than their PG. The Miami Heat never had a great PG on their three championship teams. I think versatility trumps one "floor general" who also happens to be the shortest guy on the court.

The Spurs won those championships in spite of their PG, not because of him. If we had a true distributing PG that could run the floor and hit the occasional 3, Spurs would have 7 right now.

[Mal]

Both teams move the ball and create postion by that. Switch other guard to those lineups and ball still will be moved. It`s not like Clippers, a team which depends on Chris Paul creating opportunities or OKC playing isoball all the time.

[Mikeanaro]

^
This #21 got it.
If you are playing in some unselfish team and you try to stand out all the time to prove something you are hurting the team thats a fact and there is no way to spin it around. 5 rings is good I dont complain but that stupid at ude kept Spurs away from something bigger.

[ChumpDumper]

I definitely saw where you tried to be a smartass and got on by ing apolisoc of all people

It was a basketball take. Your interpretation is colored by your personal feelings.

If the regular season and your personal feelings are as important to you as they are to him, just say so. It's OK.

[unleashbaynes]

It was a basketball take. Your interpretation is colored by your personal feelings.

If the regular season and your personal feelings are as important to you as they are to him, just say so. It's OK.

relax. I actually think you're right but Leonard is the exception. Our defense is noticably worse without him. Backup SF is a luxury we do not have.