Im fed up with all you folks saying how good Nazr is and everyone putting Nazr as our projected starting center for the new season.
Im dont understand why everyone likes Nazr so much. I really believe that with the signing of Oberto, with Rasho playing better defense than Nazr, and most importantly with Nazr's expiring contract, Spurs will trade Nazr.
I for one am not that high on Nazr. He still has a lot to prove to win me over. Maybe he can do it this season. Maybe he never will. Maybe he wont get a chance.
I really feel hes going to be moved either soon or in midseason. Why cause of his contract and hes a big. Hes also on the up and some teams will be high on him.
Mark my words. Nazr will be traded.
you're dumb, nazr is a very serviceable center, and there is a reason why he stole rashos starting spot. in the spurs system, he can up his blocks and rebounds, his points should be relatively similar to when he was playing for NY, and they are. The only reason he hasnt proved anything to you is because you've only seen him play for a few weeks
I don't know why he would be traded. Most deals would just bring in more salary in the coming years, which is something the Spurs would want to avoid if they were keeping Rasho.
I figure they would have him play out the season and let him walk in free agency unless they could get picks + a trade exception for him.
Say what you wish about Nazr, but at least he's aggressive. Something you cannot say about Rasho.
Dalamar.
Who are you gonna get thats better??
Nesterovic aint even CLOSE to being better.
Oberto is totally unproven.
Wake up and chill out.
Mohammed is a of a good center and will improve under the pop regime some more.
I never said Nazr is not serviceable. But he did not steal Rasho's starting spot. Rasho was injured. Spurs are better with Rasho on the floor than Nazr. Nazr's defense sucks.
Yeah, all that pump-faking is REALLY aggressive.
BTW, I'm with the OP. Trade Nazr!
Well, lets just see what the Spurs front office does. If you think Mohammed is a of a GOOD center. all I can say is
You thinkin Nesterovic is better is laughable.
Once again, WTF would you do??
I get sick of people that in but dont offer alternatives.
Rasho wasnt injured in the playoffs he got healthy and they didnt want to put him in cause nazr was good
Far be it from me to speak for another poster, but it seems he wouold trade Nazr....Once again, WTF would you do??
I get sick of people that in but dont offer alternatives.
Nazr is a good center.
Mark my words. Nazr will not be traded. The fact that he's in the final year of his contract is the reason why he won't be traded. The Spurs certainly aren't going to take back long-term salary. And with the swing positions set, it certainly doesn't make sense for them to dump a big player for a smaller one.
If nothing else, he represents salary reflief for a front office that is likely going to seek that out in the future.
And I don't know why you're so down on his play. Sure, he's not Shaq or even Yao. But he's much more aggressive around the basket than Rasho, he goes up strong, and he's a very good offensive rebounder. He's certainly tougher and more physical than Rasho, and that's what the Spurs need from their center. He's not on the same level defensively as Rasho, but with Tim Duncan under the basket to erase mistakes, the Spurs didn't miss Rasho's defense as much as many thought they would.
Rasho may very well be the future at center, but the Spurs aren't going to trade their best option at center right now. And the fact that he has an expiring contract cements that.
He fits in well, and he was more effective than Rasho in just about every way except for help defense.
Thats my point.but it seems he wouold trade Nazr
There is no one better available.
, its amazing we got someone better than Nesterovic!!!
Thats my question.
Alright, trade Nazr Mohammed, but what do you get in return!!!!
He goes up what? Did you really just say that Nazr goes up strong? Put down the crackpipe.
And I think the very reasons you listed make Nazr a tradeable commodity. A lot of teams would love to pick up a quality center in his contract year. And the Spurs don't necessarily want salary cap relief so much as to build for the future. Packaging something together like Nazr/Barry (and maybe Beno, the Spurs seem to hate him now) could haul in some serious talent.
Mohammed > Nesterovic.
Next.
One of the possible case scenarios that i would have in mind for trading Mohammed is by sending him to Utah.
I would do something in the lines of Mohammed and Brown via sign and trade for Harpring (expiring) + Kris Humphries.
That could even be a huge trade for us if Kris has a breaking year.
" Rasho never gets the credit he is due. People will complan about him because they don't really know the game. They'll never know the kind of defense he plays."- Coach Pop
Would play Darko minutes at best.That could even be a huge trade for us if Kris has a breaking year.
You dont need to take on long term salary when you trade an expiring contract. OMFG! you can trade an expiring contract for picks. You can trade an expiring contract for players you can waive.
Why cant we trade Nazr to the Nets? Theyre looking for a big man. They have a lot of picks (from Kenyon Martin trade to Nuggets and their own)
Trade him to the Grizzlies. They could use a center like Nazr.
He pump fakes, but after he gets done that, he goes up strong. Unlike Rasho, he actually dunks the ball sometimes.
Sure, a lot of teams would love to have Nazr and his contract right now. But if you think the Spurs are going to trade Nazr and in exchange take on long term salary, I think you have a serious inability to understand the workings of Peter Holt and crew. And it has nothing to do with salary cap relief. It's about the total salary that Holt will have to pay and the luxury tax.
If Nazr has a real solid season, they may try to sign him. But they aren't going to keep both Rasho and Nazr beyond next summer. And they aren't going to severely limit their flexibility by trading Nazr right now.
Besides, trading him doesn't really make much basketball sense. The Spurs need pieces to fit around their young and middle-aged talent. They aren't going to acquire a bunch of top young players. It's about winning now. And trading Nazr would leave the Spurs with one seven footer, and, arguably, only one true center.
You don't trade your starting center so you can take a chance on some young talent. At least not when you're trying to win a championship.
Typically, starters do not lose their positions because of an injury. Do you really think if Rasho was the better player that Pop would have deliberately left him on the bench after he got healthy? no.
Injury notwithstanding, Rasho's performance actually regressed from the previous year. He didn't deserve to continue starting. If you watched the games, you should have seen a noticeable increase in intensity from Rasho to Nazr.
Hey, both guys have different strengths and weaknesses. I will give Rasho the edge in shotblocking, he has better outside shooting range and, as you've said, is probably the superior defender. The knock on him is he's a horrible FT shooter and he's SOFT - VERY SOFT. He can't even "throw down" an offensive rebound.
Nazr, on the other hand, is an offensive rebounding machine, adequate defender and is a surprisingly, effective shotblocker. Just as important, he is the better FT shooter. The big knock on Nazr is he has the worst hands since Malik Rose.
Hey, I'm not saying Nazr is the second coming of Bill Russell, but he gives the Spurs a very solid, formidable, aggressive, defensive presence. Those intangibles are EXACTLY what the Spurs need at the 5 spot.
That's the real reason Rasho lost his position and the reason HE will be traded. Why do you think Rasho's name keeps popping up in various trade scenarios (Dallas, Golden State, et all)?
Sorry to disappoint you, but Nazr aint going nowhere.
That team has to be under the cap in the amount of Nazr's salary -- which teams have that? Atlanta? New Orleans? Fat chance.you can trade an expiring contract for picksThey have to be expiring too to not lose money in the deal -- and how is that better than just keeping Nazr?You can trade an expiring contract for players you can waive.
Sounds plausible, but I would still prefer draft picks.
If both teams are over the cap, you have to take back a relatively equal amount of salary. It's as simple as that. If both teams are over the cap, you cannot trade an expiring contract for picks alone.
If you trade Nazr for players and then waive them, you'll still have to pay them unless a portion of their salary is not guaranteed.
Either way, it's still not possible to do what you've outlined above.
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