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    California legislators approve same-sex marriage

    By Joe Dignan and John Pomfret

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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The California Assembly voted yesterday to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry, making the state's Legislature the first in the nation to specifically approve same-sex marriages and handing a political hot potato to an already beleaguered Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    After a vehement floor debate in which legislators quoted the Pledge of Allegiance and accused each other of abusing moral principles, the Assembly voted 41-35 to pass the Religious Freedom and Civil Marriage Protection Act, which recasts the definition of marriage as between "two persons," not between a man and a woman. The state Senate passed the bill last week.

    "There are moments in the history of any movement when the corner is turned," said Geoff Kors, the executive director of Equality California, a gay-rights group. "This is it. This is the tipping point."

    Advocates of the bill argued it fit into California's sense of itself as a trendsetter for the country.

    In 1948, the California Supreme Court became the first state court to strike down a law prohibiting interracial marriage. And California in 1976 was among the first states to repeal sodomy statutes.

    The bill's supporters compared the legislation to earlier civil-rights campaigns, including efforts to eradicate slavery and give women the right to vote.

    "Do what we know is in our hearts," said the bill's sponsor, San Francisco Democrat Mark Leno. "Make sure all California families will have the same protection under the law."

    But opponents, including Republican conservatives, have argued that the law must be stopped in the nation's most populous state because it cons utes an assault on the sanc y of the family.

    "Marriage should be between a man and a woman, end of story. Next issue," insisted Republican Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy. "It's not about civil rights or personal rights, it's about acceptance. They want to be accepted as normal. They are not normal."

    Opponents repeatedly cited the public's vote five years ago to approve Proposition 22, an initiative put on the ballot by gay-marriage opponents to keep California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries.




    "History will record that you betrayed your cons uents and their moral and ethical values," said Republican Assemblyman Jay La Suer.

    Yesterday's vote amounted to more difficult news for Schwarzenegger, the Republican actor-turned-politician who roared into Sacramento in a recall election in 2003 promising fundamental change.

    Schwarzenegger, who has taken on teachers, nurses and other state workers, has seen his popularity lag in recent months. A Field Poll of registered voters this month put the governor's approval rating at 36 percent, an all-time low.

    If he vetoes the bill, Schwarzenegger will retain the support of his GOP base, which he will need in a special election he has called for November. But he could alienate many Democrats who voted for him and whose backing he still covets.

    In the special election, Schwarzenegger is asking voters to grant him more budget-cutting power, to block gerrymandering by placing legislative redistricting in the hands of retired judges and to make public schoolteachers work five years instead of two before they win tenure.

    "This puts Schwarzenegger on the hot seat," said Bruce Cain, professor of political science at University of California, Berkeley, who predicted the governor would veto the bill. "I think it's a slam-dunk that he's going to have to veto the bill and hope that the anger in the gay community doesn't spill over into other groups."

    Other political strategists said yesterday's vote would force Schwarzenegger to parse his own personal mix of fiscal conservatism and liberal social views.

    As a former Hollywood star, he hails from a milieu where gay men and women occupy key positions, and he has spoken glowingly about his friendships with people of all sexual orientations.

    "I think the governor's going to be in a difficult position, because during the campaign his positions were ambiguous on the issue," said Arnold Steinberg, a political strategist generally for Republicans.

    Schwarzenegger supports domestic partnerships but opposes same-sex marriage, a spokesman said.

    The Legislature's move goes further than other states, such as Vermont and Connecticut, which have passed legislation allowing more strictly defined "civil unions."

    And it differs from Massachusetts, the only state to grant full marriage rights to same-sex couples, because the Massachusetts' regulations were passed by order of the state's courts, which ruled a ban on same-sex marriage uncons utional.

    California is already one of the most gay-friendly states in the nation. Its domestic-partnership legislation grants same-sex couples most of the benefits of married couples except a few, such as the right to jointly file income-tax returns, the right to bring a foreign partner into the United States and the right to pass on Social Security benefits to a spouse.

    More than 30,000 same-sex couples are registered in California as domestic partners.




















    GOP better rally up its base by introducing legislation banning gay marriage in states where its already banned

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    There was never a more opportune time for such an insignificant issue to preoccupy the national consciousness again.

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    okay, one more time.. not in italics!

    California legislators approve same-sex marriage

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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The California Assembly voted yesterday to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry, making the state's Legislature the first in the nation to specifically approve same-sex marriages and handing a political hot potato to an already beleaguered Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    After a vehement floor debate in which legislators quoted the Pledge of Allegiance and accused each other of abusing moral principles, the Assembly voted 41-35 to pass the Religious Freedom and Civil Marriage Protection Act, which recasts the definition of marriage as between "two persons," not between a man and a woman. The state Senate passed the bill last week.

    "There are moments in the history of any movement when the corner is turned," said Geoff Kors, the executive director of Equality California, a gay-rights group. "This is it. This is the tipping point."

    Advocates of the bill argued it fit into California's sense of itself as a trendsetter for the country.

    In 1948, the California Supreme Court became the first state court to strike down a law prohibiting interracial marriage. And California in 1976 was among the first states to repeal sodomy statutes.

    The bill's supporters compared the legislation to earlier civil-rights campaigns, including efforts to eradicate slavery and give women the right to vote.

    "Do what we know is in our hearts," said the bill's sponsor, San Francisco Democrat Mark Leno. "Make sure all California families will have the same protection under the law."

    But opponents, including Republican conservatives, have argued that the law must be stopped in the nation's most populous state because it cons utes an assault on the sanc y of the family.

    "Marriage should be between a man and a woman, end of story. Next issue," insisted Republican Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy. "It's not about civil rights or personal rights, it's about acceptance. They want to be accepted as normal. They are not normal."

    Opponents repeatedly cited the public's vote five years ago to approve Proposition 22, an initiative put on the ballot by gay-marriage opponents to keep California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries.




    "History will record that you betrayed your cons uents and their moral and ethical values," said Republican Assemblyman Jay La Suer.

    Yesterday's vote amounted to more difficult news for Schwarzenegger, the Republican actor-turned-politician who roared into Sacramento in a recall election in 2003 promising fundamental change.

    Schwarzenegger, who has taken on teachers, nurses and other state workers, has seen his popularity lag in recent months. A Field Poll of registered voters this month put the governor's approval rating at 36 percent, an all-time low.

    If he vetoes the bill, Schwarzenegger will retain the support of his GOP base, which he will need in a special election he has called for November. But he could alienate many Democrats who voted for him and whose backing he still covets.

    In the special election, Schwarzenegger is asking voters to grant him more budget-cutting power, to block gerrymandering by placing legislative redistricting in the hands of retired judges and to make public schoolteachers work five years instead of two before they win tenure.

    "This puts Schwarzenegger on the hot seat," said Bruce Cain, professor of political science at University of California, Berkeley, who predicted the governor would veto the bill. "I think it's a slam-dunk that he's going to have to veto the bill and hope that the anger in the gay community doesn't spill over into other groups."

    Other political strategists said yesterday's vote would force Schwarzenegger to parse his own personal mix of fiscal conservatism and liberal social views.

    As a former Hollywood star, he hails from a milieu where gay men and women occupy key positions, and he has spoken glowingly about his friendships with people of all sexual orientations.

    "I think the governor's going to be in a difficult position, because during the campaign his positions were ambiguous on the issue," said Arnold Steinberg, a political strategist generally for Republicans.

    Schwarzenegger supports domestic partnerships but opposes same-sex marriage, a spokesman said.

    The Legislature's move goes further than other states, such as Vermont and Connecticut, which have passed legislation allowing more strictly defined "civil unions."

    And it differs from Massachusetts, the only state to grant full marriage rights to same-sex couples, because the Massachusetts' regulations were passed by order of the state's courts, which ruled a ban on same-sex marriage uncons utional.

    California is already one of the most gay-friendly states in the nation. Its domestic-partnership legislation grants same-sex couples most of the benefits of married couples except a few, such as the right to jointly file income-tax returns, the right to bring a foreign partner into the United States and the right to pass on Social Security benefits to a spouse.

    More than 30,000 same-sex couples are registered in California as domestic partners.

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    lets just pray for a runaway bride...

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    let them marry so they can find out what divorce is like!

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    i figured people would think i was trying to add something liberal

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    you almost blinded me!

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    I think gay people should be able to choose to be as miserable as other married couples.

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    no !..their marriages would turn the u.s. divorce rate from 50% to 80% in a couple days!

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    I don't agree with California.If that ever happens here in Texas I'm heading straight to Mexico!

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    see you in Boystown

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    I don't agree with California.If that ever happens here in Texas I'm heading straight to Mexico!
    Why? Who gives a crap what somebody else does?

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    Why? Who gives a crap what somebody else does?
    I'm just kidding and I don't care what they do to their * but I don't care to hear about it either.

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    I think they need a new name for it.. But Husband and Wife should be a Man and Woman only...

    I have no problem with legal partnerships but make some new name for it..

    Not like "hey this is my wife".. uh.. that's just wrong...

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    I think they need a new name for it.. But Husband and Wife should be a Man and Woman only...

    I have no problem with legal partnerships but make some new name for it..

    Not like "hey this is my wife".. uh.. that's just wrong...

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    separate but equal...

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    separate but equal...
    Don't worry, your struggle to marry your boyfriend legally will soon be over.

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    I've got no problem with it.
    I'm secure in my manhood and marriage not to have it effect me.

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    California legislators approve same-sex marriage

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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The California Assembly voted yesterday to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry, making the state's Legislature the first in the nation to specifically approve same-sex marriages and handing a political hot potato to an already beleaguered Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.



    I thopught that Massachusetts was the first in the nation to recognize same sex marriege.

    Anyhow. I'm really happy that some of America is catching on. I think its rediculous to have separate set of rights based on orientation or anything else.

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    Great news...finally some forward thinking in the US...I was getting worried....

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    Wasn't this put up to a vote about 4 years ago and got shot down like a pilot three days from retirement.

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    I think they need a new name for it.. But Husband and Wife should be a Man and Woman only...

    I have no problem with legal partnerships but make some new name for it..

    Not like "hey this is my wife".. uh.. that's just wrong...
    Why do you assume that a man will call his husband a wife. Every gay man I have ever heard says husband or boyfriend. Either way, I think it's dumb to get all wrapped up in les.

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    I thopught that Massachusetts was the first in the nation to recognize same sex marriege.

    Anyhow. I'm really happy that some of America is catching on. I think its rediculous to have separate set of rights based on orientation or anything else.
    No, Mass struck down a ban. California is the first state to enact actuall legislation saying they can marry. Other states have just said that they cannot be denied marriage.

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    Ah-nold will veto

    Schwarzenegger to veto California gay marriage bill
    Thu Sep 8, 2005 6:12 AM BST

    By Jim Christie

    SAN FRANCISCO, Sept 7 - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said on Wednesday he will veto a bill to allow gay marriage in the state and said the issue should be decided by the courts or by voters directly but not by the Democrat-controlled legislature.

    A veto had been widely expected after California's Assembly on Tuesday endorsed gay marriage, the first time a state legislature had taken such a step. California's Senate passed the bill last week.

    Schwarzenegger's press secretary, Margita Thompson, said the governor "believes that gay couples are en led to full protection under the law and should not be discriminated against based upon their relationship."

    But since California voters approved a ballot measure five years ago defining marriage as between a man and a woman, the question of gay marriage should be put to voters again in a referendum or decided by courts, she said.

    "We cannot have a system where the people vote and the legislature derails that vote," Thompson said.

    Gay marriage is under review in California courts following San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom's decision in 2004 to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples -- a move that set off a national debate.

    California's Supreme Court has invalidated the San Francisco licenses, but left the wider issue of whether the ban on gay marriage is cons utional to lower courts.

    Democrats admit the gay marriage bill was largely a symbolic gesture and had said they did not expect support from Schwarzenegger, a moderate Republican grappling with declining voter support.

    "It certainly seems like he wants the courts to make the decision for him, but we truly feel like we did the right thing," said Richard Stapler, an aide to Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez.

    RATINGS SLUMP

    Republican media consultant Wayne Johnson said it was inconceivable Schwarzenegger would have signed the bill because his approval ratings have slumped, leaving him with only Republican support. "The people who are his strongest supporters are among the least likely to support this bill," said Johnson.

    Schwarzenegger faces an uphill struggle to convince voters to back ballot measures in an unpopular special November election he has called.

    A Field Poll released on Wednesday found 56 percent of California voters are not inclined to support Schwarzenegger if he seeks re-election.

    But voters hold the state legislature in even lower regard, one analyst said, allowing Schwarzenegger the opportunity to cast his veto of the gay marriage bill as a defence of existing state law.

    "He can wrap himself in the rule of law and say, 'The people have spoken,'" said Tony Quinn, co-editor of the California Target Book, which tracks state political races. "This is probably one issue in which Schwarzenegger is probably a winner at a time when he has very few issues going his way."

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