Knicks: Do this Finals prove the triangle still is a viable option in today's NBA?

[Andy]

Many of the posters here see the triangle as antiquated offense that wouldn't be as effective against small ball, spacing and outside shooting in today's NBA.

Yet, a short-handed team with one all time great overusing isos and one legit 7 footer in the post are doing quite some damage against arguably the best shooting backcourt in NBA history.

[hitmanyr2k]

You need high IQ players that know how to pass and move without the ball to run the triangle and those kind of players are in short supply these days in the current ISO and quick trigger 3ball chucker era. Teams that live and die by the three typically don't win in the NBA. You need that mix of inside and out. When the three point shot abandons a team at the worst possible moment they need something to fall back on. GS doesn't have that. They're a chucker team through and through which is why I never respected them. They looked good against a finesse Western Conference that plays defense but are now going up against a team in the Cavs that have size that can kill them on the boards and a player in Lebron that can control the pace of the game even if he shoots like . At least Lebron knows how to value a possession and not jack up a stupid shot early in the shot clock risking a long rebound and a fast breaking Warrior team going the other way (unlike that dumb as overrated Rocket team).

You can't have mental midget teams like the Knicks running the triangle though. It takes discipline and off the ball skill. Their players have the b-ball IQ of a gnat, don't respect the coach and their main player needs the ball in his hands 24/7 or he stands around like a statue. Same goes for players like Durant, Westbrick and Harden. The Spurs are glorified so much for their ball movement these days because it's rare in this ISO era. The Spurs of the last couple of years are the best passing teams the league has seen in years but even then they average about the same amount of assists (or less) than the best 90's teams.

[Malik Hairston]

You need high IQ players that know how to pass and move without the ball to run the triangle and those kind of players are in short supply these days in the current ISO and quick trigger 3ball chucker era. Teams that live and die by the three typically don't win in the NBA. You need that mix of inside and out. When the three point shot abandons a team at the worst possible moment they need something to fall back on. GS doesn't have that. They're a chucker team through and through which is why I never respected them. They looked good against a finesse Western Conference that plays defense but are now going up against a team in the Cavs that have size that can kill them on the boards and a player in Lebron that can control the pace of the game even if he shoots like . At least Lebron knows how to value a possession and not jack up a stupid shot early in the shot clock risking a long rebound and a fast breaking Warrior team going the other way (unlike that dumb as overrated Rocket team).

You can't have mental midget teams like the Knicks running the triangle though. It takes discipline and off the ball skill. Their players have the b-ball IQ of a gnat, don't respect the coach and their main player needs the ball in his hands 24/7 or he stands around like a statue. Same goes for players like Durant, Westbrick and Harden. The Spurs are glorified so much for their ball movement these days because it's rare in this ISO era. The Spurs of the last couple of years are the best passing teams the league has seen in years but even then they average about the same amount of assists (or less) than the best 90's teams.

it's a fact that there is less ISO today than the 90s, which was known as the ISO era, do a google search..Jesus..

Just this week alone, I've heard at least 10 analysts in the media refer to the Cavs ISO ball in the Finals as 90s ball, referring directly to the amount of ISOs they're utilizing..you need to refresh your memory, bro, go back and watch your VHS tapes..

Also, assists doesn't = less ISO, too

[Malik Hairston]

This is an article from 2013, even prior to the giant wave of promoting ball movement, and the league has continued to progress and divert from 90s ball, especially after the dominance of the Spurs and Warriors with their style..

The league overall understands this, though some coaching staffs have been quicker than others in adjusting their systems. The percentage of offensive possessions that end with isolation plays and post-up shots has declined every season for the last five years, per Synergy Sports. In 2008-09, the year after the Celtics used a Thibodeau-designed system to create one of the stingiest defenses ever, 27 of the league's 30 teams still finished at least 9 percent of their offensive possessions via an isolation play, according to Synergy Sports. The Magic, at 7.4 percent, were the least isolation-prone team in the league that season.3 This season, 15 teams — half the league — are below that 9 percent isolation mark, and a whopping 11 have lower isolation shares than Milwaukee's league-low number from 2008-09. The drop in post-ups has been similar, and the numbers would seem to indicate an increase in ball movement.

Smart defensive coaching has put a premium on smart offensive coaching. Several sources at all levels suggest the NBA is becoming more like the NFL — with more of an emphasis on trickery, scheming, and anticipating how teams will respond to particular actions.

http://grantland.com/features/packin...their-offense/

Revisionist history from old men trying to glorify their era as anything more than 1 vs. 1 ball with goons that commit hard fouls to compensate for their lack of skills, tbh..

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it's a fact that there is less ISO today than the 90s, which was known as the ISO era, do a google search..Jesus..

Just this week alone, I've heard at least 10 analysts in the media refer to the Cavs ISO ball in the Finals as 90s ball, referring directly to the amount of ISOs they're utilizing..you need to refresh your memory, bro, go back and watch your VHS tapes..

Also, assists doesn't = less ISO, too

& Blatt is working against the grain. How refreshing not to find him another fart catcher. You're 4 from it. Find a way, any way, and get on with it. That's precisely what Blatt is doing.

Blatt

[hitmanyr2k]

it's a fact that there is less ISO today than the 90s, which was known as the ISO era, do a google search..Jesus..

Just this week alone, I've heard at least 10 analysts in the media refer to the Cavs ISO ball in the Finals as 90s ball, referring directly to the amount of ISOs they're utilizing..you need to refresh your memory, bro, go back and watch your VHS tapes..

Also, assists doesn't = less ISO, too

Google search. I actually watched the games. Teams ran more plays and sets in the 90's. It wasn't like James Harden holding and dribbling the ball for 15 seconds shaking and baking and then bricking a shot It wasn't like Lebron James catching the ball at the 3 point line holding the ball for an eternity waiting to make a decision. The best teams in the league in this era are mainly ISO teams.

[hitmanyr2k]

This is an article from 2013, even prior to the giant wave of promoting ball movement, and the league has continued to progress and divert from 90s ball, especially after the dominance of the Spurs and Warriors with their style..



http://grantland.com/features/packin...their-offense/

Revisionist history from old men trying to glorify their era as anything more than 1 vs. 1 ball with goons that commit hard fouls to compensate for their lack of skills, tbh..

That article is basically saying players with low post skills were diminishing so it went to a more perimeter oriented game. And at that article singling out the 2008-09 Magic. They were the epitome of the 3 point chucker ball era starting. Constantly ignored Howard in the post (for good reason because he sucked, lol @ best big man in the league) and threw up 3 pointers like it was going out of style. 19 assists per game for FFS. They didn't give their in offense enough time to ISO because they were too busy jacking up threes.

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Google search. I actually watched the games

PERIOD