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If it's 6M that is incredibly cheap & gives the Spurs a ton of flexibility.
If it's 6M that is incredibly cheap & gives the Spurs a ton of flexibility.
There's also the very good chance that Tim just straight plays two more years. I see no reason why he can't. If I were the Spurs, I'd just guarantee all of it, seeing as that would be the best way to encourage him to stay on both years. That being said, it's almost pointless for Duncan to take so little. Duncan at $6 Million minus Splitter's $8 Million still leaves the Spurs with less than max cap space. Maybe they do plan on letting Green go and just rolling with Tony, Kawhi, Tim, Boris and LMA. But that seems like a terrible use of assets. May as well stay over the cap, especially if Manu returns. If they're over the cap, then there's no need to have Tim take less -- or to defer money to 2016.
Wink wink
The NBA has projected the cap this summer to be at $67.1 million now, so with Duncan at $6 million, Green's cap hold at roughly $6 million (150% of his 2014-15 salary) and Lenoard's cap hold at roughly $6.1 million (200% of his 2014-15 salary) the Spurs would be looking at about $21.5 million in capspace counting cap holds for empty roster spots under 12 if they salary dump Splitter for nothing, even keeping their first round pick and drafting a guy to play next year.
Source on the jump in the cap: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12...2017-18-season
Tim at 6M + moving Tiago & Mills gives the Spurs a lot of options. Like you said, it would be stupid for SA to give Tim less $ if it doesn't do anything functionally. They likely know what they are doing & what $ they need. One scenario that many don't consider is that Tim may have a number & Spurs can't do anything about it (doubtful).
Also, this article doesn't seem to be in the know. It's just generic assumptions based on convos outside the org.
Your cap holds for both Danny & KL are 1M lower than they are.
Thanks for posting. I guess, I'd be happy with that, but such a deal would imply to me that Timmy is almost certain to retire between the first and second year of the contract. If he really thought he'd play the second year, that wouldn't work as the guaranteed 50% is part of his second year salary. Thus he is now playing two years at about 7 mill a year. It is only a "wink wink" deal, if you think he doesn't come back for the second year and he makes 10 to 11 for 1 year's play paid over 2 seasons.
For an All-NBA and All-Defensive big who AT WORST is still the second best player on a contending team, that's quite a low contract.
I guess, I want Tim to earn some $$$ after the divorce and dishonest financial adviser sucked away a big percentage of his reserves.
Crap, good catch. After reading Larry Coon's page I see Leonard counts 250% of his previous year salary, since he has four years in and his 2014-15 salary was less than the league average. Green counts 190% of his previous year salary, since his 2014-15 salary was less than the league average. So the cap situation would look like:
1. Tony Parker: $13.44 million
2. Danny Green cap hold: $7.65 million
3. Kawhi Leonard cap hold: $7.63 million
4. Boris Diaw: $7.50 million
5. Tim Duncan: $6.00 million
6. Patty Mills: $3.20 million
7. Kyle Anderson: $1.14 million
8. Draft pick #26: $0.99 million
Cap hold for roster spots 9-12: $2.10 million
TOTAL CAP HIT: $49.65 million
CAP SPACE: $17.45 million
Aldridge's max: $20.13 million
So Aldridge would have to take about an $11.5 million paycut over the life of his 4 year contract. That ain't happening most likely. James, Wade, and Bosh did it to make space for Mike Miller in 2011, but that was for a guaranteed le team.
So I guess the Spurs cap situation looks like
1. Tony Parker: $13.44 million
2. Tiago Splitter: $8.5 million
3. Danny Green cap hold: $7.65 million
4. Kawhi Leonard cap hold: $7.63 million
5. Boris Diaw: $7.50 million
6. Tim Duncan: $6.00 million
7. Patty Mills: $3.20 million
8. Kyle Anderson: $1.14 million
9. Draft pick #26: $0.99 million
Cap hold for roster spots 10-12: $1.57 million
TOTAL CAP HIT: $57.62 million
CAP SPACE: $9.48 million
So they should look to sign a backup two or three and then one of Bellinelli, Jospeh, or Baynes, and get it done quick so they don't lose Green. Damn that Parker extension really s the Spurs ability to rebuild this summer.
This is the great thing about the relationship between Tim and the Spurs. There is incredible transparency between the two parties. Both sides know Tim will get whatever he wants, but he's willing to take less money than what he's worth, and is willing to structure his contact to benefit the team in order to sign other free agents.
Nobody is taking Tiago for nothing come on now.
Interesting read. Thank you. Am I missing something in these numbers or are you assuming Manu retires?
Spurs could probably get a protected first rounder from a contender for Tiago but no way the Spurs help any potential threats.
The Spurs could also intrigue a lot of teams at the end of the lottery if we offer our first round pick and Tiago also to move up.
I'm not giving up Splitter unless we land a big man in the draft and we have a plan to land a defensive big like Asik in free agency.
Yeah, I'm assuming Manu is retiring. It really sounded that way in the interview I saw when they were cleaning out their lockers for the season. I'd really love to have him back though.
thats freaking cheap for a guy that still plays like a top 25 player in the league. timmy is really 15 million dollar guy.
I think you're right sadly. What was his last public comment? Something like "more and more I feel like a retired player."
If true, that's a generous paycut for a player who's still top 2 on the team.
Corey Brewer or Matt Barnes as the backup wing and Joseph Returns. So much for making a splash this summer.
very generous..dude is worth 15+ up, play value wise.
Just takes trading Mills & Tiago if you want the cap space out right for LA. Not hard at all. Also, S&T very workable with just Tiago for LMA. Tiago+9M cap space allows you to absorb the 20M for LA in a trade scenario.
Tiago (+ #26?) for #15 to Hawks works for both teams. They desperately need size and he fits perfectly in the cap space they have so they can bring back both Millsap and Carroll. Move Horford back to PF and Millsap as 6th man off the bench and they fix a whole host of their weaknesses.
My thoughts. I think Manu plays another year if Duncan does. If Aldridge decides to sign, I guess the Spurs would have to decide between Manu and Green, that's if Manu decides to play. So going into the draft they will probably need to know where LA stands(their chances) and what Manu and Tim's plans are. If they don't, they are going to have to be very open with what they do. At this point, my speculation is that he will be very non-committal, so the Spurs will only trade Splitter if they can move up in the draft and get a quality prospect that falls or most likely, wait till the moratorium has passed to free up cap room.
Scenarios
1.Manu retires- we draft a combo guard, Resign Green
2.Aldridge/Gasol signs, Manu plays- Green walks, Trade Splitter and Mills, Duncan and Manu take discounts, we draft/trade/sign a starting two guard and a backup big
3.LA/Gasol signs, Manu Retires- Sign Green, Trade Splitter and Mills, Duncan and Manu take discounts, We draft/trade for a combo guard
.... just some thoughts, feel free to add.
What's the scenario that the Spurs could keep Green at $10-12 million and sign Aldridge? What if Manu returns for around $3 million? Would it really matter if the Spurs drafted someone in the first round or trade their pick away? Would their be any cap space if we traded Splitter on draft day or sign and trade and landed Aldridge and acquired Asik in free agency?
Sorry for all the questions I'm not as great with numbers like you all.
How about Tyson CHandler?
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