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Yes. There are explanations in plenty of other threads.
I will be the first to admit I am not a cap expert in the slightest, but I was pondering the numbers.
Since we have not heard any more specifics on the Tiago Splitter ($8,500,000.00) deal with Atlanta, I would say that deal has technically not happened as of yet, but has only been reported to be agreed that Atlanta will take Tiago for some non-roster assets, in essence eating his salary for us. The only other players we have under contract are Tony ($13,437,500.00), Boris ($7,500,000.00), Patty ($3,578,947.00), Reggie ($1,185,784.00), and Kyle ($1,142,880.00). The figures in parenthesis are from http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/ which seems to match for what http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/SAS.html. That is a total of $26,845,111.00.
Since Aron ($2,596,250.00) and Marco ($3,735,875.00) have signed or agreed to sign with other teams, there cap holds do not apply to our salary cap anymore. That does leave us with cap holds for Tim ($15,542,169.00), Manu ($10,500,000.00), Danny ($7,647,500.00), Kawhi ($4,045,894.00), Cory ($3,034,091.00), Jeff ($2,377,375.00), and Matt ($947,276.00). This brings our cap (current and holds) to a total of $70,939,416.00.
The order in which actions occur is paramount though. IE, for any player that has a bigger cap hold than what they are willing to sign for will occur before signing LMA and any current players that are going to sign for more than their cap hold will not be signed until after LMA signs using their bird rights. It also means that any remaining players would be signed after LMA under whatever exceptions such as maybe West/Bonner as a vet minimum. This means that Tim, Manu (hopefully), and CJ would be signed before LMA and West/Bonner/Danny/Kawhi will be signed after LMA signs.
Assuming that LMA (4.5% per year), Danny (7.5% per year), and Kawhi (7.5% per year) are getting the largest raises allowed, that would put the starting years of the contracts for LMA at $18,699,492.00, Danny at $10,060,537.00
and Kawhi at $15,494,824.00.
It is rumored that Tim will sign for around $6,000,000.00. If Manu would in turn also sign for half of that at $3,000,000.00. Cory signs for his cap hold of $3,034,091.00 or less (wishful thinking). This would put us at roughly the possible higher cap figure of $69,200,00.00. Then we would sign Danny and Kawhi. It would also leave us with only whatever exceptions we would be allowed to utilize for any further signings. This would also be with renouncing Matt and Jeff, which I do not think anyone is against that and Matt may come back for the vet minimum exception too. Of course, this would also put up right near or possibly over the luxury cap for this year.
If LJC is intent on forcing us to sign him, we could renounce/buyout Reggie and that cap amount would be close to the amount of the rookie scale for LJC I think. This is assuming if Reggie's second year was not guaranteed in full and that removes the cap hold it currently has.
So given the above, am I missing anything, other than the players cooperating, that would force the renouncing of Manu and CJ?
Yes. There are explanations in plenty of other threads.
That's a response. This is a good chance to consolidate information for everyone.
Nah. There are a billion threads on this, in addition to a salary thread in the Think Tank. There's no need for ANOTHER consolidation thread. At all. No amount of butt-hurt from you changes that.
Link it or don't bother posting. Dude typed up all that and you give that lame ass comment.
This isn't a classroom. You can link as well as I can. Or explain it. Instead you fancy it helpful to comment on my comment.
If Manu and TD are willing to play for the min they can do a lot more than that. People think they know but they really don't.
Saying nothing at all was an option. What he said actually subsumes most of the discussion you fronted as certain.
Indeed. Right now, at least one of them has to. But even if Manu plays for the min, he has to be renounced.
I made a comment. He thought saying my comment was unhelpful was helpful. It wasn't any more helpful than what I said. No one has answered the OP's question.
You don't get to speak for the OP, chachi. You also don't get to arbitrate what is helpful for anyone but yourself. You already told us right off the bat that you get nothing out of the discussion.
I have read your salary cap thread in the Spurs Think Tank led "Spurs Salaries, 2014-2015 Edition", which does talk to this years salaries a little at the end. It also shows that you had a bigger cap hold for CJ than what I have seen posted elsewhere. Why would only Green and Leonard's holds along with the holds for LJC and the first-rounder count for the purpose of the salary cap figures and not the various other cap holds? I would think that the roster charges only apply if you drop below 12 active or cap holds. I can understand you discounting Tim and Manu back then since it would not have been expected for them to continue, but until they say they are retiring, does not their cap hold still count until they either officially retire, sign with another team, or resign with the Spurs? It does not makes sense to arbitrarily discount all the other actual or cap holds until they are dealt with though (traded such as Tiago, resigned with the team and thus have an actual figure, signed with another team and possible causing a roster charge, or official retires/quits basketball).
I read this site a lot, just rarely post and I have seen nothing in the other threads that would explain it to me and thus my question. I am not trying to cause any issues for anyone who routinely posts.
I didn't say I spoke for the OP. But he asked a question and no one's bothered to answer it. , I'm the only one who's addressed it. You gonna help the OP out? No. Then stoo acting like a hypocrite.
Nevermind that the previous discussions don't consider the extra $2m on the cap. Has the new tax limit been announced I saw the cap but not the tax.
Why are you still here? I'm talking with the OP and not speaking for him. I'll let him arbitrate whether or not responses are germane to what he asked.
I'm on my phone, which I why I didn't post a longer response. I have absolutely no beef with you. This is just the third thread on this topic that's been on the main page in the past day.
Joseph's hold is 250 percent of his previous salary. The hold you're using is the QO.
Anyway, as I said I have nothing against you. I'll give you longer response when I can if someone else doesn't give one first.
Lol. So you're waiting for him to tell you that he considers you criticizing me constructive to his thread?
Here is a thorough look at the salaries and cap space: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250110
Your ability to draw logical conclusions is pretty terrible. In short: no.
I'm not criticizing you for his sake. Look at what you finally did but didn't want to because you are on your phone. Think about it.
wasting your time arguing with fuzzy
Why? Min contracts are all counted as the rookie min so vets are not at a market disadvantage. They don't 'need' to do things they way you have figured.
Short answer: Leonard's hold is $7.235MM. Cory's is $5.058MM. You have minimum roster charges for the vacant roster spots up to the minimum.
He and Kool are the only folks I have on my ignore list. But he's behaved himself recently. Or he had. So I gave him a chance. Oh well.
Woah. No they aren't. They count as second-year vet salaries if they're only for one year. So that's another $300k to $400k they waste to offer the same contract. That's absurd.
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