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    What impact will new Spurs make?
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    By John Hollinger
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    "It's over."

    That's been the sentiment around the league ever since the Spurs announced the signings of Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel. Magic Johnson, for instance, expressed those exact words to the San Antonio Express-News last week.

    Can Mike Finley help the Spurs win le No. 4?

    "They remind me of the Lakers when we were winning championships back in the 1980s," Johnson said. "They just play the game and play to win. Nick and Finley will add to that, and I think they're going to win it again. They've added two great role players that can come in off the bench and add firepower."

    Johnson isn't alone in that opinion. The Spurs hardly needed any help after winning their third le in seven seasons, especially with key players like Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker in their respective primes. Plus, they pulled off an unusual coup for a championship team by retaining every key player.

    The acquisitions of Finley, Van Exel and Argentine big man Fabricio Oberto seem to make the Spurs an even more daunting obstacle for Western Conference foes. But here's the question for the other contenders: How much will the new guys help? Do the additions make the Spurs overwhelming favorites to repeat as champions? Or do teams like the Heat, Pistons and Suns still have a fighting chance?


    To examine that question, let's take a closer look at the players the Spurs added and how they'll fit into the larger puzzle. Finley, for instance, had a solid if unspectacular season a year ago. Using my Player Efficiency Rating (PER, my measure of a player's per-minute statistical production), Finley's rating of 14.34 was slightly below the league average for a shooting guard. He was better the two previous seasons, at 17.55 and 17.81, but now that he's 32 one can probably expect a PER of around 15.00 this season. In fact, the projections in this year's "Pro Basketball Forecast" (shameless plug alert) see Finley with a PER of 14.95.

    If that's the case, then Finley may not add much to the equation for San Antonio. The two players he's taking minutes from are Brent Barry and Devin Brown (who departed for Utah once Finley had taken his spot). Barry's PER last season was 14.01 while Brown's was 14.57. Barry had been even better than Finley the two years before, and he projects to have a slightly higher PER this season at 14.96. Brown's numbers don't project quite as well (13.92), but the difference between him and Finley is small (see chart). Considering the slim margin between the players, one has to wonder if the impact of Finley's addition will be as great as some think.

    The same goes for the procurement of Van Exel, who at this point in his career is markedly inferior to the Spurs' other point guards. Nick the formerly Quick clearly has no chance of unseating in bent Tony Parker, but even backup Beno Udrih seems to have the upper hand. Udrih's PER of 14.24 last season was substantially better than Van Exel's 12.47, and because of Van Exel's arthritic knees, Udrih also is a superior defender. While Van Exel provides some comfort as a third point man should one of the top two suffer an injury, it seems doubtful he'll play enough to significantly alter the Spurs' fortunes.

    That leaves us with the final piece of San Antonio's puzzle, Oberto. Though the least heralded of San Antonio's offseason pickups, he could be the most important. Based on his European stats, Oberto's projected PER of 14.55 would be a big improvement from what the Spurs got last year from reserve big men Rasho Nesterovic and Tony Massenburg. Those two players combined to play nearly 2,500 minutes a year ago, including some key moments in the playoffs. Having Oberto replace them as the Spurs' fourth big man (behind Duncan, Nazr Mohammed and Robert Horry) should result in improved production from that spot for the 10 to 20 minutes he's on the court each night.

    However, there might be a large difference between Oberto and Nesterovic at the defensive end. Oberto is the shortest of the Spurs' frontcourt players and didn't put up impressive shot-blocking or rebounding numbers in Europe, while the 7-foot Nesterovic was an underrated force as a shot-blocker in the middle. While Oberto is certain to provide drastic offensive improvement, he'll give some of that back at the defensive end.

    Overall, then, the additions of Finley, Van Exel and Oberto to a championship nucleus sound impressive, but the real impact might be smaller than people expect. Finley's prime offensive skills are 3-point shooting and avoiding turnovers, two things that Barry already does exceptionally well. And while any NBA exec would trade Devin Brown for Finley in a heartbeat, the two are close enough in ability that it's not likely to affect San Antonio's win-loss record very much. Meanwhile, the other newbies might have trouble just getting on the floor. Van Exel shapes up as the team's sixth-best guard (behind Parker, Udrih, Ginobili, Barry and Finley), while Oberto gets in line behind Big Shot Bob for minutes off the bench in the Spurs' frontcourt.

    This isn't to say the three signings will have no impact. Certainly they improve San Antonio's ability to withstand injuries, for instance, and adding Finley also keeps him away from the Spurs' rivals. In the end, that might be the most important impact of all. While Finley would have solved desperate needs in Denver, Phoenix and, to a lesser extent, Miami, the Spurs already had a quartet of competent players to man his position. Thus, their addition of Finley and the others seems a bit like Bill Gates finding a nickel on the street -- yes, it's nice, but it really doesn't change the big picture much.

    John Hollinger, author of "Pro Basketball Forecast 2005-06," writes for ESPN Insider.


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    PLAYER EFFICIENCY RATINGS  
    Player 2003-04 2004-05 Projected 2005-06 
    Wings     
    Michael Finley  17.81  14.34  14.95  
    Brent Barry  18.28  14.01  14.96  
    Devin Brown  13.10  14.57  13.92  
    Point Guards     
    Nick Van Exel  13.02  12.47  12.54  
    Tony Parker  15.60  17.97  16.22  
    Beno Udrih  --  14.24  14.48  
    Frontcourt     
    Fabricio Oberto  --  --  14.55  
    Rasho Nesterovic  15.27  12.00  13.43  
    Tony Massenburg  9.64  8.44  8.20

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    If that's the case, then Finley may not add much to the equation for San Antonio. The two players he's taking minutes from are Brent Barry and Devin Brown (who departed for Utah once Finley had taken his spot). Barry's PER last season was 14.01 while Brown's was 14.57. Barry had been even better than Finley the two years before, and he projects to have a slightly higher PER this season at 14.96. Brown's numbers don't project quite as well (13.92), but the difference between him and Finley is small (see chart). Considering the slim margin between the players, one has to wonder if the impact of Finley's addition will be as great as some think.
    Awesome. Simply awesome.

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    Interesting article, Im sure alot of people did not look at it that way.

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    I think with the new Spurs we added this season we in no doubt have the first chance of winning the le over any other team...for the le is ours to lose. If you notice all we gained were playoff saavy players who can give an emotional spark to the team when we need it. NVE is a player that will explode on the court if he comes in pissed enough....which could come in handy should the Spurs have a mental collapse in a series....like we have all witnessed before. Finley isnt a sure shooter all the time and he does get cold but he has been to the playoffs many of times and is a proven veteran...as for Oberto....we have yet to see him play in the NBA but im sure he'll do more than just hand out gatorade and wave a towel like Rasho...

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    These efficiency measures are nice and useful, but there are still player qualities that it fails to capture. For example, 'clutchness'. Another would be consistency. Also, experience.

    I'd expect Finley to be more likely to have a big game off the bench than Barry.

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    thank you Marcus thats exactly what my post was trying to get at...the fact that they bring so much more to the team than just stats..

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    as for Oberto....we have yet to see him play in the NBA but im sure he'll do more than just hand out gatorade and wave a towel like Rasho...

    Angel_Luv is somwhere showing you the finger right now....

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    i do question how, one one hand, the players aren't likely to add much to the spurs, while, at least in regards to finley, had he gone elsewhere it would have been a big help to those teams. if he's good enough to bump up someone else's lineup, why would he be such a nonfactor for the spurs?

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    These efficiency measures are nice and useful, but there are still player qualities that it fails to capture. For example, 'clutchness'. Another would be consistency. Also, experience.

    I'd expect Finley to be more likely to have a big game off the bench than Barry.
    Very good.

    I wonder what Steve Kerr's efficiency rating was prior to Tony Parker eating that bad Souffl'ee in Dallas? I doubt it was all that impressive.

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    i do question how, one one hand, the players aren't likely to add much to the spurs, while, at least in regards to finley, had he gone elsewhere it would have been a big help to those teams. if he's good enough to bump up someone else's lineup, why would he be such a nonfactor for the spurs?

    That is exactly what I was thinking when I read it! I think his point was that the Spurs are already great and loaded with talent, with or without those additions.

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    Very good.

    I wonder what Steve Kerr's efficiency rating was prior to Tony Parker eating that bad Souffl'ee in Dallas? I doubt it was all that impressive.

    Very true. I still believe that was divine intervention that got Parker sick that night!

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    Angel_Luv is somwhere showing you the finger right now....

    Oh she probably is...but thats the way the cookie crumbles...

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    Finley as clutch?

    See Fin disappear in the DAL/PHX series last spring. See Fin's playoff stats vs his season stats FOREVER. Fin is a scorer who steps his scoring DOWN in the post-season.

    As Tim said, "we'd like to have you, but we don't need you". yawn

    Fin will have some impact in the season, but very probably won't be as hot as Devin was last autumn. And, based on Fin's playoff history, esp recently, it'll be Gatorade/towels for him after mid-April 06.

    Oh, and his "defense" at _allas was spectacular.

    Nick, if his athritis/pain pills work, is much more of an addition, if he can play like he did in the playoffs 03.

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    Finley as clutch?

    See Fin disappear in the DAL/PHX series last spring. See Fin's playoff stats vs his season stats FOREVER.

    As Tim said, "we'd like to have you, but we don't need you". yawn

    Fin will have some impact in the season, but very probably won't be as hot as Devin was last autumn. And, based on Fin's playoff history, esp recently, it'll be Gatorade/towels for him after mid-April 06.

    Oh, and his "defense" at _allas was spectacular.
    What impact did Devin have exactly last autumn? Are you trying to tell me that Devin>Finley?

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    Hollinger is just another in a long line of Spurs haters. To him it's all about numbers,
    not intangibles.

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    Look at Devin's per-game stats last Nov and Dec. Excellent. Huge progress vs previous season. But not mind-blowing like a rested, sensational Manu was last November.

    Finley of few years ago was clearly better than Devin of today.
    I agree with the article that the Fin of today vs Devin is pretty much a wash.

    Fin and Spree are pretty much at the same point of their careers, and basically way down from their peaks.

    I'm not against FIn. If he helps, wonderfully welcome, but I will be surprised.
    I'd much rather be surprised by Brent giving us his 05 playoff contribution all this season.

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    These efficiency measures are nice and useful, but there are still player qualities that it fails to capture. For example, 'clutchness'. Another would be consistency. Also, experience.

    I'd expect Finley to be more likely to have a big game off the bench than Barry.
    I completely agree with you on that one (amazing, huh?). Would you rather have NVE bringing the ball up the court in Game#7 of the Finals with 12.47 PER or Beno with his 14.42 PER?

    I'll take NVE.

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    Devin is awsome for 4 minutes. Finely is above average for 28.

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    Hollinger is just another in a long line of Spurs haters. To him it's all about numbers,
    not intangibles.
    I don't think Hollinger is really a 'Spur-hater.' I think he's just think his use of stats here is a bit misguided. He forgets that the Spurs, more than most teams, rely on a SYSTEM that simply requires each player to contribute to varying degrees on any given night. On a team like this, it really boils down to how these guys fit into the rotation, etc. Hard to measure that on any scale, let alone Hollinger's "magical" PVR.

    He's probably right, the Spurs don't suddenly become a 70 win, juggernaut team just because of the Finley/NVE signings. But they DO become a deeper, more versatile, and dangerous team. And even he doesn't dispute that.

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    Devin is awsome for 4 minutes. Finely is above average for 28.


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    Fin won't get 28 MPG this season as the crowded swing position, and certainly not in the playoffs, so the comment could be true, but it's irrelevant.

    Fin has a huge adjustment to make coming off the bench and being ready/able to score cold, as 2nd or 3rd option.

    The Spurs won it all without Devin, they can win it without Fin.

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    Fin won't get 28 MPG this season as the crowded swing position, and certainly not in the playoffs, so the comment could be true, but it's irrelevant.
    The rotation is likely to thin out come the postseason. A minutes breakdown at the 2 and 3 like:

    SG Ginobili.....34
    SF Bowen......34

    SG/SF Finley...28

    would not be surprising.

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    I expect Finley to provide steady scoring rather than clutch shooting and about the opposite from van Exel. I expect hustle from Oberto, working on defense, getting rebounds and putbacks, and actually catching passes.

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    and actually catching passes.
    How sweet would that be...

    One of the many little things this team has missed since Robinson left.

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    I don't know what it is but Finley is going to be good

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