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    "Essentially, these small towns in urban areas have municipal infrastructure that can't be supported by the tax base, and so they ticket everything in sight to keep the town functioning," said William Maurer, a lawyer with the Ins ute for Justice who has been studying the sudden rise in "nontraffic-related fines."'


    Take the St. Louis suburb of Pagedale, where, among other Norman Rockwell-worthy features deemed illegal, "you can't have a hedge more than three feet high," Maurer says. "You can't have a basketball hoop or a wading pool in front of a house. You can't have a dish antenna on the front of your house. You can't walk on the roadway if there is a sidewalk, and if there is not a sidewalk, they must walk on the left side of the roadway. They must walk on the right of the crosswalk. They can't conduct a barbecue in the front yard and can't have an alcoholic beverage within 150 feet of a barbecue. Kids cannot play in the street. They also have restrictions against pants being worn below the waist in public. Cars must be within 500 feet of a lamp or a source of illumination during nighttime hours. Blinds must be neatly hung in respectable appearance, properly maintained, and in a state of good repair."


    Where did this Kafkaesque laundry list come from? Maurer explains that in 2010, Missouri passed a law that capped the amount of city revenue that any agency could generate from traffic stops. The intent was to limit small-town speed traps, but the unintentional consequences are now clear: Pagedale saw a 495 percent increase in nontraffic-related arrests. "In Frontenac, the increase was 364 percent," Maurer says. "In Lakeshire, it was 209 percent."



    This racket now has many variants. South Carolina hosts "Operation Rolling Thunder," an annual dragnet in which 21 different law enforcement agencies swarm stretches of I-85 and I-26 in the name of catching drug dealers. In 2013, this law enforcement Bonnaroo netted 1,300 traffic citations and 300 speeding tickets. But after everyone had paid up, the operation boasted exactly one felony conviction.


    A different strategy in San Diego simply tacks on various fees to an existing fine. A 2012 Union Tribune investigation revealed that while speeding is a simple $35 fine, other government agencies can tack on as many as 10 other surcharges, including: a state penalty assessment, $40; county penalty assessment, $36; court construction, $20; state surcharge, $8; DNA identification, $16; criminal conviction fee, $35; court operations, $40; emergency medical air transportation penalty, $4; and night court, $1. When it's all said and done, that $35 ticket comes to $235.
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...xcessive-fines

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    There is still no comprehensive study to determine just how many cities pay their bills by indenturing the poor, but it is probably no coincidence that when you examine the recent rash of police killings, you find that the offenses they were initially stopped for were preposterously minor. Bland's lane change signal, DuBose's missing plate. Walter Scott had that busted taillight—which, we all later learned, is not even a crime in South Carolina. Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes. When Darren Wilson was called to look into a robbery, the reason he initially stopped Michael Brown was for walking in the street—in Ferguson, an illegal act according to Section 44-344 of the local code. Between 2011 and 2013, 95 percent of the perpetrators of this atrocity were African American, meaning that "walking while black" is not a punch line. It is a crime.


    And not just a crime, but a crime that comes with fines that are strictly enforced. In 2014, Ferguson's bottom-line-driven police force issued 16,000 arrest warrants to three-fourths of the town's total population of 21,000. Stop and think about that for a moment: In Ferguson, 75 percent of all residents had active outstanding arrest warrants. Most of the entire city was a virtual plantation of indentured revenue producers.


    Back in Pagedale, St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Jennifer Mann recently calculated a 500 percent increase in petty fines over the last five years. "Pagedale handed out 2,255 citations for these types of offenses last year," Mann wrote, "or nearly two per household."


    "Once the system is primed for maximizing revenue—starting with fines and fine enforcement," Holder said apropos Ferguson, "the city relies on the police force to serve, essentially, as a collection agency for the municipal court rather than a law enforcement en y."


    In Alabama, a circuit court judge, Hub Harrington, wrote a blistering opinion three years ago asserting that the Shelby County Jail had become a kind of "debtors' prison" and that the court system had devolved into a "judicially sanctioned extortion racket." This pattern leads to a cruel paradox: One arm of the state is paying a large sum to lock up a person who can't pay a small sum owed to a different arm of the state. The result? Bigger state deficits. As the director of the Brennan Center's Justice Program put it, "Having taxpayers foot a bill of $4,000 to incarcerate a man who owes the state $745 or a woman who owes a predatory lender $425 and removing them from the job force makes sense in no reasonable world."


    When the poor come to understand that they are likely to be detained and fined for comically absurd crimes, it can't be a surprise to the police that their officers are viewed with increasing distrust. In this environment, running away from a cop is not an act of su ion; it's common sense.

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    Theres always been a conflict of interest there. Anecdotally, Ive heard of the police not writing tickets and citations because of union/labor disputes. Then ramping it up around times when they are eligible for raises, more funding etc. I never knew whether to believe it or not but the possibility seems plausible.

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    Not in SA or Bexar County. If anything, Bexar County is running more speed traps. There is one sucker that constantly traps on Callaghan Road just east of I-10 at the bottom of a steep hill where you really have to ride your brakes to stay under the speed limit. Just let the car coast down the hill and you are screwed.

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    Take the St. Louis suburb of Pagedale, where, among other Norman Rockwell-worthy features deemed illegal, "you can't have a hedge more than three feet high," Maurer says. "You can't have a basketball hoop or a wading pool in front of a house. You can't have a dish antenna on the front of your house. You can't walk on the roadway if there is a sidewalk, and if there is not a sidewalk, they must walk on the left side of the roadway. They must walk on the right of the crosswalk. They can't conduct a barbecue in the front yard and can't have an alcoholic beverage within 150 feet of a barbecue. Kids cannot play in the street. They also have restrictions against pants being worn below the waist in public. Cars must be within 500 feet of a lamp or a source of illumination during nighttime hours. Blinds must be neatly hung in respectable appearance, properly maintained, and in a state of good repair."


    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...xcessive-fines
    Sounds like a very strict HOA driven planned unit development. No difference, imo

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    the difference is that your HOA can't throw you in jail.

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    the difference is that your HOA can't throw you in jail.
    IIRC, I read an article where a HO in arrears was evicted to recover the amt of the dues.

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    the difference is that your HOA can't throw you in jail.
    The police can't throw you in jail either for a basketball hoop in the front yard.

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    if you don't pay the fine they can

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    if you don't pay the fine they can
    Looks to me they simply abate most nuisances and put liens on the property for the costs of the abatement:

    http://ecode360.com/29518624

    ...like HOAs do..

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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    so it's totally legit, from your point of view?

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    so it's totally legit, from your point of view?
    I think if the people vote in council members that vote these into law, then yeah, it's legit.

    I think it sucks ass and people should question how broken blinds affect health, safety or welfare.....but it's legit.

    I'm wondering what ordinance they're using for the broken blinds...i don't see it..

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    i remember when sapd told my father he had to move my basketball goal off the sidewalk and onto the driveway

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    i remember when sapd told my father he had to move my basketball goal off the sidewalk and onto the driveway
    damn racists

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    This is exactly why municipalities don't push for any technology that limits or helps deter speeders.

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    I don't care if they look to drivers disobeying the law or not to generate revenue. What bothers me is when they intentionally pick places that immorally induce the tickets.

    Probably around 2001, after my oldest started driving, she was ticked for speeding in a school zone, the day the schools opened. I was skeptical in what she said, but drove out to the location with my camera. The police officer purposely was ticketing people on the other side of the school where the school zone sign was completely overgrown by tree branches. naturally, i took pictures. Called the appropriate Washington county office responsible for signage talked and had email response, and I sent him the photo. I had a nice email response also showing I was a responsible citizen in reporting the blocked sign. Took the photo and email to court. The judge gave rather bad looks at the police officer, dismissed the ticket.


    I hope he was reamed well.

    Aren't the police suppose to report such public safety sign issues when they see them, rather than unethically using them against citizens?

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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    how are broken blinds, basketball goals and hedgerows public safety issues?

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    i remember when sapd told my father he had to move my basketball goal off the sidewalk and onto the driveway

    Those ing Assholes!

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    how are broken blinds, basketball goals and hedgerows public safety issues?
    Broken blinds...dunno, what ordinance are they referring to?

    Basketball goals in the right of way block pedestrian/car passage.....do you happen to know what ordinance they're using for being in the front yard?

    Hedges are a traffic line of sight issue.....3 foot height comes from federal guidelines.

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    hedges and stuff in the street I can see, and I suppose all the ordinances are legally colorable, but using PDs to generate revenue for cities does not comport with promoting public safety and undermines trust.

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    to say nothing of spreading poverty and misery

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    Well using cops for revenue generating is nothing new, especially in these small municipalities, but usually they're done with speed traps. Nothing new for us to hate on.

    But that other stuff looks like Code Compliance type stuff which is enforced by cops in small towns that can't afford code compliance inspectors.

    Honestly, I'm thinking the author of that article embellished a bit on some of the things that that little town enforces.

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    I got popped for not coming to a complete halt before turning right on a red light. $275. Unbelivable.

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    I got popped for not coming to a complete halt before turning right on a red light. $275. Unbelivable.
    Holy crap

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    I got popped for not coming to a complete halt before turning right on a red light. $275. Unbelivable.
    Cheaper to hire an attorney tbh...

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