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Yes Bosh has always been a very underrated cog defensively - he's great. Then Whiteside looks like the real deal as well and is swatting dudes like crazy. MIA's bigs are very, very mobile and athletic.
Remind me of my childhood when they started 2 defensive anchors who could both score on the other end as well.
Interestingly, the Miami Heat are the best defensive team in the league currently... but it's awfully early. Hassan Whiteside and Bosh, defensive dynamos?
For the record, Golden State is currently ranked 9th in the NBA on defense... Cleveland is currently ranked 4th but a decent gap behind us and Utah, who are tied for 2nd and 3rd. Oklahoma City tied for 22nd out of 30 teams, pretty bad. L.A. Clippers are 24th, a hair behind the Lakers who are tied for 22nd with OKC. The New Orleans Pelicans are the worst defensive team in the NBA thus far.
I love the defense so far, outside of the first game... gotta get the offense up to speed and we'll be good
GSG
Yes Bosh has always been a very underrated cog defensively - he's great. Then Whiteside looks like the real deal as well and is swatting dudes like crazy. MIA's bigs are very, very mobile and athletic.
Yeah, Miami's defense isn't surprising and unlike the Spurs they've played better teams. Spurs have had a top defense on the league the past few years tbh, so this isn't anything new.
Warriors are number 3 or 4 tbh.
The good news is, many were worried about the defense more than anything. Losing Tiago was tough from a defensive perspective, but like many thought the defense would survive. To see the chemistry this early is really good. It's not without holes (Boris/West, athletic PG's) but for the most part its a strong enough defense to compete for a le.
Offensively is the bigger adjustment and to be honest, it's pretty damn good. Still question marks there too (getting LMA involved naturally, can Kawhi keep up his play, Danny Green's shot chart/woes, TP lasting, 3PT shooting), but again, there's been a lot more good than bad. If the offense reaches it's potential then damn, the defense is clearly good enough with that.
Warriors are #9 currently though it's early. For instance, they gave up a million to the Timberwolves last week
Which defensive team stat are you using that has GS at 9
apart from the Wizards game and the costly Diaw/West sequence in the OKC one, the D has been airtight..i honestly think it is very sustainable irrespective of opposition..
No DPOY for AD, then.
Well done for a change.
Yeah, and we also have the best individual defender in the game, a guy named Kawhi.Remind me of my childhood when they started 2 defensive anchors who could both score on the other end as well.
Interestingly, the Miami Heat are the best defensive team in the league currently... but it's awfully early. Hassan Whiteside and Bosh, defensive dynamos?
For the record, Golden State is currently ranked 9th in the NBA on defense... Cleveland is currently ranked 4th but a decent gap behind us and Utah, who are tied for 2nd and 3rd. Oklahoma City tied for 22nd out of 30 teams, pretty bad. L.A. Clippers are 24th, a hair behind the Lakers who are tied for 22nd with OKC. The New Orleans Pelicans are the worst defensive team in the NBA thus far.
I love the defense so far, outside of the first game... gotta get the offense up to speed and we'll be good
GSG
The Spurs have ranked 2nd, 3rd and 3rd on defense the past 3 years, tbh..this is like the 10th time in the past 2 weeks I've heard somebody mention how the Spurs are "back to being a defensive team"..
They have been a better defensive team than offense since Kawhi and Green were inserted into the SL..it has just been overshadowed by the offensive style of play in the Euro-ball Spurs era..
Disagree... while I'm a business analytics major, for this particular statistic I prefer the nominal stat over the adjusted one.
Thus, I value oppPPG more than advanced defensive rating.
Keeping the pace slow and manageable is especially important against the better offensive teams in the league because it stifles them; the problem with only looking at efficiency or per 100 is that it doesn't factor in pace. The teams that disallow such teams to see the ball go in as much as possible are the best defensive teams because it psychologically deflates them, not seeing the ball go in much in a longer time period as opposed to scoring more points albeit on more possessions.
Thus, the Spurs are tied with Utah for 2nd best on D in the league, behind the Heat who don't have a great offense so they don't win consistently.
Defensive efficiency is the league standard
Smdh...the spurs have been elite defensively since Kawhi become part of the rotation. This is not news.
You're a dinosaur, then. Pop has even come off of old school stats like oPPG. DRtg is pace neutral, so is a better comparison of teams relative defensive prowess.
No, he's an independent thinker. There are plenty of reasons to favor oPPG based upon the cir stances. A game is not won by who had better per36 numbers, or was more "efficient." A game is won by outscoring the opponent during the allotted time.
A team that grinds out the defense for a slow pace can stifle an offense and throw them off their average per100 possession numbers. Basketball is not played by robots. I like the defensive efficiency stat, as it is useful for comparing trends and seeing overall defensive prowess, as you correctly note. However, on a game to game basis, oPPG can be very insightful and help you make better predictions depending on matchups.
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oPPG doesn't really tell the story, though. You could be a walk it up, pound the ball team holding folks to 95 points, but if it only takes 85 shots, opponents will just speed up the game when given the opportunity. It's not that hard if they know they can score more points than possessions. DRtg never lies. If you have a DRtg of 95, you're a good defensive team, no matter the pace of the game.
Yup. According to oPPG, Warriors were the 15th best defensive team in the league last year. Ridiculous to suggest half the league played better defense than Golden State. DRtg had them as the best overall defense in the NBA which is more in line with the way they dominated.
We allow 84ppg at home. An NBA best, and probably will improve it tonight
as I said weeks before, I'll be shocked if we don't have the #1 D at the end of the season.
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Right exstatic ... the way they see it, if you take the air out of the ball (see most crappy college basketball teams) and try to minimize the number of possessions in a game, you're a better defense? Less possessions in a game = better chance for the lesser team to win.
Take a football example. The Eagles have one of the best defenses in the league both by eye test and DVOA. But by your math, you'd want to want to penalize them because Chip Kelly's system puts them on the field for so many plays because of how ineffective the offense is / when it's effective, often scoring quickly.
By their definition, a guy who puts up the most PPG is the best scorer in the league regardless of how many shots they put up. Throws the whole concept of efficiency / more in less minutes out the window.
You can't penalize Golden State for their pace. Their defense is elite. Perhaps part of it is the pace causes turnovers, but that's a whole different argument.
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