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    Tbh, no but Butler has been playing hurt since the Warriors game so don't expect a 100% Butler. Now if Kawhi doesn't totally dominate the somewhat compromised Butler who of course like the true professional he is- and like Timmy, will not complain as long as he can still step on the court, then it is obvious who the superior player is.

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    Kawhi is on another echelon of player than Jimmy Butler. They aren't even comparable. And one game won't change that.

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    Kawhi is on another echelon of player than Jimmy Butler. They aren't even comparable. And one game won't change that.
    Disagree. Same echelon. Debate being who is better. It's a legit debate.

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    Unless one game somehow puts Jimmy Butler into MVP and DPOY contention, raises his PER into the top5 of the league and raises his eFG% to 58% (he's at 51%) then no, it's not a legit debate.

    If Kawhi dips or Jimmy starts playing much better for the rest of the season we can visit this topic. Otherwise it's not even a contest. It's like comparing Chris Bosh to Tim Duncan. Both obviously good but you can't even compare.

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    Pg13 skull ed Butler, let's see if Kiwi can do the same... If Bulls are smart they'll start Snell

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    Disagree. Same echelon. Debate being who is better. It's a legit debate.
    Unless one game somehow puts Jimmy Butler into MVP and DPOY contention, raises his PER into the top5 of the league and raises his eFG% to 58% (he's at 51%) then no, it's not a legit debate.

    If Kawhi dips or Jimmy starts playing much better for the rest of the season we can visit this topic. Otherwise it's not even a contest. It's like comparing Chris Bosh to Tim Duncan. Both obviously good but you can't even compare.
    Are you done?

    It's not a debate. Jimmy Butler is a top 15 player in this league at best. Kawhi is a top 7 player at worst.

    Kawhi is 3rd in defensive rating in the NBA, 91.1.

    Jimmy Butler isn't even top 20.

    Kawhi Leonard is a full win share above Butler already this season. He's .8 higher in WS per 48.

    His TS% is .33 higher. His TRB% is five percent higher. His steal % is higher and he is double the block % of Butler.

    Oh, and he's scoring 1.3 more PPG despite being better on defense, AND turning the ball over less. In two minutes less per game.

    PER for the season: Kawhi 27.4, Butler 21.7.

    Look. I love Butler. Kid's a gamer and would love to have him on the Spurs. But this debate isn't a debate.

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    Another garbage ass troll. This place is riddled with you s. thegreatcuck is one of them.

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    Pg13 skull ed Butler, let's see if Kiwi can do the same... If Bulls are smart they'll start Snell
    This lil bic50 is following us around. It's creeping me out.

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    Another garbage ass troll. This place is riddled with you s. thegreatcuck is one of them.
    why do you still respond to them?

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    This lil bic50 is following us around. It's creeping me out.
    I try not to give him attention but he's still on my ... He's a mark that's for sure

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    why do you still respond to them?
    Yeah you're right. Those clowns are a waste of time tbh.

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    I try not to give him attention but he's still on my ... He's a mark that's for sure
    I see that. Hope you had a great week tho.

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    I see that. Hope you had a great week tho.
    Cowboy tears on thanksgiving, SysTom exposed, Kobe writing a fruity ass poem calling it quits... of a week bruh wbu

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    Cowboy tears on thanksgiving, SysTom exposed, Kobe writing a fruity ass poem calling it quits... of a week bruh wbu
    Sounds great. , outside of sports it was dope. Kobe top off the week tho. like get the outta here with that weak ass poem. 2pac> Kobe having a meltdown worse than bid50.

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    Sounds great. , outside of sports it was dope. Kobe top off the week tho. like get the outta here with that weak ass poem. 2pac> Kobe having a meltdown worse than bid50.
    Mods sniped that quick, dabom was the first one on the scene. Snitch snitching per par tbh.

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    Let me get this straight. If Leonard does dominate Butler it doesn't count because Butler is playing injured. And if he doesn't dominate him then Butler is the superior player no matter what.

    Sounds legit. Good to know.

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    Let me get this straight. If Leonard does dominate Butler it doesn't count because Butler is playing injured. And if he doesn't dominate him then Butler is the superior player no matter what.

    Sounds legit. Good to know.
    Your reading comprehension is superb.

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    Are you done?

    It's not a debate. Jimmy Butler is a top 15 player in this league at best. Kawhi is a top 7 player at worst.

    Kawhi is 3rd in defensive rating in the NBA, 91.1.

    Jimmy Butler isn't even top 20.

    Kawhi Leonard is a full win share above Butler already this season. He's .8 higher in WS per 48.

    His TS% is .33 higher. His TRB% is five percent higher. His steal % is higher and he is double the block % of Butler.

    Oh, and he's scoring 1.3 more PPG despite being better on defense, AND turning the ball over less. In two minutes less per game.

    PER for the season: Kawhi 27.4, Butler 21.7.

    Look. I love Butler. Kid's a gamer and would love to have him on the Spurs. But this debate isn't a debate.
    No, I'm not done. You're a player fan obviously. You need to snap back into objectivity and realize that this Butler kid is really basically Kawhi on steroids (but not illegal) with a more ty team and worse situation. It's like the difference between being born in the US and Iraq (Butler being born in Iraq). Butler would be awesome as a Spur, but he's been able to carve out an MVP type role on an inferior team by himself without all the coddling or any type of meaningful coaching or mentorship. So basically yeah, if he even matches Kawhi tomorrow, it's a foregone conclusion who's best. Imagine how good we would be with Butler...

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    No, I'm not done. You're a player fan obviously. You need to snap back into objectivity and realize that this Butler kid is really basically Kawhi on steroids (but not illegal) with a more ty team and worse situation. It's like the difference between being born in the US and Iraq (Butler being born in Iraq). Butler would be awesome as a Spur, but he's been able to carve out an MVP type role on an inferior team by himself without all the coddling or any type of meaningful coaching or mentorship. So basically yeah, if he even matches Kawhi tomorrow, it's a foregone conclusion who's best. Imagine how good we would be with Butler...
    Yawn. You're boring.

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    Yawn. You're boring.
    We shall see. If Kawhi's numbers are worse than Butler's tomorrow than you gotta lotta s-plainin' to do, weep havoc.

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    Not sure what's worse your Jimmy Butler delusion + obsession or that dude that's riding the Jimmer. At least Butler is a top 25 player.

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    We shall see. If Kawhi's numbers are worse than Butler's tomorrow than you gotta lotta s-plainin' to do, weep havoc.
    Ah, them regular season games that matter so much to non-Spurs fans. Got it.

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    No, he won't.

    then it is obvious who the superior player is.
    One game doesn't determine the value of a player.



    Nobody needs one-game's performance to know Kawhi is the better player between both. Many guys proveded you stats that prove the point in this and your other thread.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254567


    Anyway, why does this troll compare Butler to Tim Duncan?? In a Spurs forum??
    If some idiot needs to compare the guys, low-key Kawhi looks more like Tim than "Butler-talking-to-the-media-about-Taylor Swift-and-Pretty Little Liars..."
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    Are you done?

    It's not a debate. Jimmy Butler is a top 15 player in this league at best. Kawhi is a top 7 player at worst.

    Kawhi is 3rd in defensive rating in the NBA, 91.1.

    Jimmy Butler isn't even top 20.

    Kawhi Leonard is a full win share above Butler already this season. He's .8 higher in WS per 48.

    His TS% is .33 higher. His TRB% is five percent higher. His steal % is higher and he is double the block % of Butler.

    Oh, and he's scoring 1.3 more PPG despite being better on defense, AND turning the ball over less. In two minutes less per game.

    PER for the season: Kawhi 27.4, Butler 21.7.

    Look. I love Butler. Kid's a gamer and would love to have him on the Spurs. But this debate isn't a debate.
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