Obviously some of this has to do with small sample sizes (Aldridge has played the most minutes without Kawhi, 143 minutes), but still...it's pretty crazy how there's such a big discrepancy.
I came across the graphic and found it interesting. Figured it could start some good discussion, albeit also opening up the floodgates for trolling.
Topic is from reddit. edit.
Kawhi always plays versus starters ALL the time and versus their best player all the time.
Our bench plays more offense and worse defense and they play great versus other bench players.
When those other players play during bench player times they will have a higher offensive rating. This is an outlier because we have a GREAT bench unlike all other teams.
Last edited by dabom; 12-27-2015 at 07:47 PM.
2015-16 Real Plus-Minus
RK NAME TEAM GP MPG ORPM DRPM RPM WINS 1 Russell Westbrook, PG OKC 30 34.3 9.47 1.61 11.08 9.26 2 Stephen Curry, PG GS 29 34.9 9.42 0.87 10.29 9.04 3 Kawhi Leonard, SF SA 30 33.4 5.51 4.76 10.27 8.46 4 LeBron James, SF CLE 27 36.1 5.71 2.27 7.98 6.64 5 Kyle Lowry, PG TOR 31 35.6 5.55 2.19 7.74 7.54
Current as of today.
I think LMA, Timmy and Kawhi are not playing well together. Danny can't space the floor and it get's little ty down there. Would like to see shooting w/wo LMA and Timmy also. Rest of the team is OK.
Also, does anyone think that TP % without KL is realistic?
Sugar mother in' K
with LMA without Kawhi Leonard 50.6 50 Tony Parker 53 62.5 Danny Green 32.4 39.2 Tim Duncan 49.4 59 Patty Mills 46.6 43.8 Boris Diaw 38.5 56.3 Manu Ginobili 36.6 45.9 Kyle Anderson 45 43.9 Manu Ginóbili 55.6 45.9/43.6 David West 55.6 53.8 Jonathon Simmons 50 45.5 Rasual Butler 46.2 38.1 Ray McCallum 37.5 38.5 Matt Bonner 33.3 58.8 Boban Marjanovic 0 61.1
I hope there's no mistakes. It gave me 2 results for Manu. Don't know why. NBAwowy is source
This has to do with starters/bench splits. any Spur fan would know right away.
Let's be real here. The main relevant statistic about one player improving another players offensive efficiency is this metric called 'assists'. Leonard doesn't assist a lot. What is more important with Leonard is the +/- of players on the court with him and not their shooting percentages.
KawhISOS:
Wrong answer. Kawhi's taking just ONE more unassisted attempt than last season.KawhISOS
Last edited by YGWHI; 12-27-2015 at 08:20 PM.
Since the player who has the lower FG percentage by the biggest margin with Kawhi/with LMA is Parker...and the player who's shotting better with both on the court is Patty...
Should Pop....?
Well played.
Just trolling TYG.
Well played.
IMO Parker's having a pretty good season, LMA is adapting to the system and will be great for us, he's already great...the Spurs'll be fine.
Yeah, it was clear what you were doing and it was very well done.
Are we to believe that Parker is an 80% shooter and Kawhi is holding him back? Also shooting percentage isn't offensive performance. I'll be updating my player pairings after the month and we'll see how it looks.
+15 net rating vs +12 when not on court. It's not his fault that he's facing starter units while the Spurs bench unit is a wrecking crew and putting up a le contender-worthy differential themselves.
You called it. I won't lie I was hoping you was wrong. Props to you tho.KawhISOS
Kawhobe Bryonard.
Kawhi stans trying to spin ITT, sorry clowns like Young Hov said....
Spurs 26-6 of course greatcuck and feline er being es as usual.
Last edited by bic50; 12-27-2015 at 10:47 PM.
Kawhi haters
Using TS as an evaluation of a player. Team is worse with aldridge too then.
Are we going to ignore the that Kawhi didn't play against the Sixers when the team shot a season high 61% including LMA going 11-15. It also makes sense Tim's TS% goes up when Kawhi is off the floor b/c he isn't out there jacking up mid-range bricks
BTW there is data that supports that Danny/LMA are the WORST 2-man combo: http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../2016/lineups/ . Manu plays way better than Danny w/ the other starting 4 & Danny plays best w/ West on the floor so might have to let Danny play most of his minutes w/ the bench unit although Manu is going to keep his 6th man role. The best way to do it is probably to play Kawhi/LMA play the entire 1st quarter then starting Danny/West in the 2nd quarter (Manu always checks in for Danny at the 6 minute mark of the 1st quarter). **Boban/Simmons can play depending on the matchup or who's resting**
Basically, start the usual 5 (Porker/Danny/Kawhi/LMA/Tim) & at the 6 minute mark of the 1st quarter sub in Patty for Tony, Diaw for Tim & Manu for Danny. Let the Patty/Manu/Kawhi/Diaw/LMA lineup finish the 1st quarter then start the 2nd quarter w/ Porker/Danny/Fathead/West/Tim. Finish the 2nd quarter w/ the group that's playing well then repeat the same thing in the 2nd half.
This would also mean there will always be a wing defender & rim protector on the floor b/c the Turd Towers (Diaw/West) will be eliminated & either Kawhi or Danny will be on the floor.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 12-27-2015 at 11:45 PM.
No surprise that the team won by 50 (literally.) when Kiwi sat.You called it. I won't lie I was hoping you was wrong. Props to you tho.
Kawhobe Bryonard.
Mf holding TP back too smfh
He's good at it and he doesn't iso much.KawhISOS
http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/isolation/?dir=1&CF=Poss*G*45&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PPP
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