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solid D, just forgot how to shoot and pass
LOL @ MEL/Chump
solid D, just forgot how to shoot and pass
Eh, OP thinks Jimmer would be better.
Jimmer's corpse would be better
He's still good at defense that's why he's still getting minutes.
Green's starting to come along, tbh.
Jimmer would be better, tbh.
danny green's per game shooting averages are almost all lower than his career averages. He's sitting at an 8.5 PER, with similar usage and the highest TO% of his career. His OWS is negative. His Ft rate and W/48 are about half of his career average. 33 games into the season.
Lets give him the max $, right Chump?
Still a bargain, especially when the cap increases. Plays great team defense, and is growing on the offensive end.
Danny does this every year with his shot as he learns new things, why are people still surprised?
I was going to start a thread on Green of my own, but this one beat me to it. I had noticed what I thought was a certain lack of effort when trying to defend against a high pick and roll, TBH it looked like a lack of balls in fighting through the top of the pick. Ideally, an elite defender should be smart enough and quick enough laterally to meet or beat the offensive player to the spot. At least to give the offensive player some grief. I was watching him on NBA League Pass and the camera isn't always focused on Green.
I see a lot of energy from Patty Mills to do that. I see J. Simmons trying to do that although he's likely to just bulldoze through the pick man and pick up a foul. Although the Parker haters will hate this, I even see Parker trying to take away that P&R by trying to fight through the pick a lot of times this year. But was my take on Green's defense correct?
Over Christmas I came back to SA to visit my kids and took my son to the Denver game. I wanted to focus on Green. On the first five Denver offensive plays they had Will Barton get the ball on the left side and the center come up to the top of the key/3 pt arc for a pick. When Barton took the ball toward the high pick Danny just trailed behind by several yards. He wasn't in any position to fight the pick at all and Barton made the turn to go down the lane. Our defender (D. West started the game) had two guys to defend and either the center or Barton had a layup--While Danny just trailed along behind down the lane. That was the first five play and an easy 10 pts.
On the next Spurs possession Green got trapped on the high right sideline and threw a bad pass which was stolen and Denver went down for another layup. That's 12 points that can be attributed to Danny to start the game. At that point Pop called time out and changed the on-court lineup.
It appears to me that Danny simply doesn't want to have any contact on a pick and roll situation. Either that or he isn't smart enough to figure out they are going to keep calling that number so he should cheat a little in his positioning--or he is even more slow-footed laterally than Anderson. Trailing the play, hoping for a block from behind is NOT elite defense. Folks sometimes give him credit for a block from behind coming down the paint--but they never comment on why he is behind all the time.
I assume his shooting will come back. I'd keep the ball out of his hands as much as possible because of his terrible passing and inability to dribble much beyond the level of a good schoolyard kid--but he's gonna have to show more focus on the defensive end while in the shooting slump.
I like Danny. He's been a big part of our success. And he showed loyalty to the team with his contract. So I hate to criticize him, but he can do better.
Straw man.
We had Jimmer's corpse, and it wasn't better.
#streetballtrash
Eh. Kyle Korver has also missed his last 20 three-point shots so.... They'll both get it together at some point.
Just like with Aldridge, if Green gets on track with his offense - look out! This team is pretty damn good already and can get much better.
Danny has always been a chaser on defense. He's a good on ball defender, but he's fragile, and his at ude is not "hard nosed" never has been.
Plus his contract with Club Rio states he cant have any cosmetic injuries prior to his NNY Eve party there.
Danny's dropped off a bit in D and a lot on O. He's still one of the best defensive SG's in the league and we know he's capable on O - just needs to get rid of that damn rust.
NBA season almost half over. Rust is not an excuse.
McCallum - Simmons - Anderson - Bonner - Marjanovic
WE'RE STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKED.
I'll still take Danny's top5 Defense at SG over some low efficiency chucker who barely contributes on defense. As bad as his offense has been, he's still a better player than most other starting SG's in the league.
Yeah so that's a reflection on the lack of depth at the SG position league-wide but you take what you can get.
All we can do is hope Danny can fix his shooting woes, same as with Lamarcus.
Love Danny Green, but hate how he seems to always stop the ball late in the shot clock for some reason and expects to something with it. Just keep moving around the perimeter, and play good defense and he will be fine.
Thanks for sharing such careful observations.
To be honest, Danny hasn't been up to last season's standards on both ends, and I agree with you. Like you say, one is reluctant to criticize a guy who is so likeable in personality and who has been such a big part of our teams and a championship. What you point out are just a few examples. I have observed that he still overhelps and doesn't recover on 3 pt. shooters in time, and has gotten beat by backdoor cuts with frequency. Playing with the SL, his defensive numbers should be higher than they are (I mean guys like J.Simms and Anderson are right up there, and Anderson in particular has handled his assignments and team defense better than Danny has managed his and these two guys play in garbage time a lot, in weird lineups (better now that Boban has emerged as a force, but their numbers were skewed by very early pre-dleague assignment Boban and Ray, Bonner. Just in general these two wings have been in very poor defensive lineups with Diaw and Butler as your 5-4, Anderson as a 4, and stuff like that, and they are still doing a good job. Compared to them, Danny should be doing much better but he isn't.)
I wonder if what you notice on the picks is a practice to deal with GSW and how referees call fouls on guys getting too close fighting through a screen, bc you seem to make a very particular observation that I had not payed attention to.
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