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For now at least since Kawhi will overtake him and Drob and possibly duncan.
But from 2003-2007, no one was more instrumental in clutch games than Manu..no one.
Manu the best Spurs Guard we will ever see.
I always chuckle when i read old timers post Stat Padding playing against 5'8 white guys goerge gervin..pe wee league compeitiom should not count. I know hes a sf but just a side comment when i see posters putting him above Manu.
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I expect this kind of serious intellectualism from you. Thank you for not disappointing.
You could make a legit argument for him, for Gervin, for Parker, and you could probably toss Avery Johnson, Steve Kerr, and Denis Rodman into that argument as well.
A lot of it comes from how you choose to define best, and weather or not your just putting that person in the argument because a real case can be made or if most logical people feel that the are among the "best spurs".
The books of history will read
Duncan
Drob
Kawhi
Parker
Germin
Manu
In that order
I don't agree on Kawhi part though, he can surpass Manu, Parker and Rob but not Duncan imo..
probably, but kawhi might end up over drob.
You know, saying stupid inflammatory about players you never watched doesn't make for good discussion. Welcome to my ignore list.
Tony is the 3rd greatest player in Spurs history. It's already been decided
I think by the numbers parker is above him, because he always played more, and also during his prime in 2005-2006 Manu allowed pop to run the offense thru Tony (keeping Tim and Manu fresh for when it matters).
But Spurs fans will always think of Manu as the better, more committed and loveable player of both. Manu will be also regarded as one of the most influential basketball players of his generation for what he did internationally with Argentina forcing a change of perspective in USA Baksetball, and in the NBA where he was the first Allstar to accept a bench role in his prime during the modern era. Also in FIBA, where baskerball is not about numbers no one will put Tony over Manu, because iq is elemental.
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just for those who are not yet familiar with OP work, trolling is in first sentence. Thread is not really about Manu but about his man crush for Kawhi... Player fans... Smh
i particularly love the possibly Duncan
Absolutely - also, next to Robinson, Manu is the most endearing and lovable spur. Always willing to give an interview and sign an autograph for the fans.
Good catch that was def. his agenda. ... I tend not to actually read his reasoning and just laugh at others ting on his posts.just for those who are not yet familiar with OP work, trolling is in first sentence. Thread is not really about Manu but about his man crush for Kawhi... Player fans... Smh
i particularly love the possibly Duncan
Best guard to ever play for SAS tbh
You need to add Strickland and Horry to your list. And Wilkins.
Duncan, Robinson, Gervin/Parker, Manu.
People forget how short lived Manu's prime was in SA.... really only a few years. He also has costed us too many big playoff games like game 6. Parker was the engine for both of our runs against the Heat and Manu was really never the man for a le run.
Think youre SERIOUSLY downplaying Manus role in getting ring number 5. He was the the second MVP behind Kawhi in that series and dont forget his last second shot against OKC. It was that shot that made Spurs seem invincible....which they then became. Love Parker, who I am now calling mini-Hakeem, but pick Manu over him.
Yep, it is another thread meant to divide Spurs fans, which, of course, is OP's eternal agenda.just for those who are not yet familiar with OP work, trolling is in first sentence. Thread is not really about Manu but about his man crush for Kawhi... Player fans... Smh
i particularly love the possibly Duncan
Kawhi will overtake Manu, but never DRob or TD because those guys didn't even need to develop - they were instant superstars and rookies of the year. Kawhi has already "missed the boat" for being that kind of player, but don't take it as an insult because only a few players in history were at that level.
And the assist to Horry in game 5 vs Detroit. Huge.
Good point was just coming up with a way to show the premise as stated was somewhat ludicrous.
Which franchises can put up a team that can compete with that starting five (Parker/Gervin/Kawhi/Duncan/Robinson) with Manu off the bench - requirement being that you play more games with that team than any other (e.g., Heat don't get Lebron)? Probably just the Lakers and Celtics.
More amazingly, they all played their entire career with the Spurs outside of Gervin's farewell season in Chicago.
Anyone putting Parker, Ginobili and even Kawhi as being unquestionably above Gervin is crazy. A guy with four scoring les and shot over 50% over his career. Was basically prime TMac for a pretty long period. After MJ, Kobe, West, Clyde and Wade, he's probably the next best SG. ESPN just put Iverson ahead of him too - much less efficiency, but he did make a Finals.
True, he never had the postseason success of Parker/Manu but his teams averaged ~47 win pace (lowest total of 37) and missed the playoffs just once. For comparison, Kobe's teams have averaged 49 wins and have missed the playoffs 4x.
In the playoffs, there were: 3 Rd1 exits, 2 Rd2 exits and 3 conf finals exits. If only CP3 could reach those heights.
Not arguing that Gervin is definitively #3, but you can't say the same about any of Manu/Parker/Kawhi either.
Every thread by this guy pits one player against another player. Such a horrible poster.
OP's convoluted thread is just his opinion on about 3 potential different topics all mashed into one, with no analysis, no reasoning, just bc he says so.
le topic(s): Manu is best spurs guard of all time,
manu is 3rd best spur all time
real topic(s): kawhi will be better than Robinson and TD;
parker is not on the all-time spurs list because manu was more "clutch"
Too bad. Handing just one topic, and if done intelligently, had potential, and posters are making attempts at using the potential here.
Although the parker vs. Manu debate has been done to death during their respective primes, at least the topic has not been done recently, and so near the end of their careers. Worth a revisit once TP retires, for sure.
As far as Kawhi on the all-time spurs list, way to early to know for sure. Super excited about Kawhi, he is way better than I hoped he would be, and I think he IS arguably the best 2-way wing player in the league today, although it is close with PG and Lebron.
Yes, Kawhi has the POTENTIAL to be better than DR all time, which is incredible and I am excited and hopeful that after another 7-8 years, we can have the discussion and there is justification to put Kawhi that high.
BUT, get real for today. Kawhi has YEARS of this same very high level play ahead of him assuming he stays healthy, before he deserves to be compared to DR, much less TD.
You can't assume health, motivation, or even consistency in player's careers, and you will need all 3 for Kawhi to be in the conversation.
Look at some of David's accomplishments:
career average 21 and 10
Honors: NBA champion (1999, 2003); NBA MVP (1995); Defensive Player of the Year (1992); Rookie of the Year (1990); All-NBA First Team (1991, '92, '95, '96); All-NBA Second Team (1994, '98); All-NBA Third Team (1990, '93, 2000, '01); All-Defensive First Team (1991, '92, '95, '96); All-Defensive Second Team (1990, '93, '94, '98); 10-time NBA All-Star
led the league in PER for several years;
was a volume high percentage scorer for years;
DPOY level D during 2003 (teammakes joked about TD getting 1st team Defense instead of David that year)
TD leads the league in RDPM this year, and has been on the all-defensive 1st or 2nd team 15 times.
5× NBA champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014)
3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002–2003)
15× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011, 2013, 2015)
10× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007, 2013)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2006, 2008–2009)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2010, 2015)
8× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1999–2003, 2005, 2007–2008)
7× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1998, 2004, 2006, 2009–2010, 2013, 2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1998)
San Antonio Spurs all-time leading scorer
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