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I'd rather see Patty Mills post-up, rather than Aldridge, at this point..
First and Foremost don't let the blowout get into you. They played at home with something to prove..200 Dollars the Spurs win their home game.
Quick General game observation
The ball handling in general was Putrid.. However, it's not all on San Antonio. Golden State is THE BEST PnR defensive team in the league they allowed almost zero penetration. Bogut was instrumental in defending the Screens early in the game and Pop tried to respond by putting him on foul trouble and posting him up. Bad decision imo. So man silly missed rotations.. Simmons, Parker, Aldridge and Green are the biggest Culprits. The bright side of things is that it's obvious theres a few things the spurs can exploit offensively and most importantly the spurs have the tools to defend GSW.
What Works defensively
Single Coverage on Curry was much much more effective against their offense. Not only was it more effective against curry, it actually made it really tough for GSW in the first 18 minutes of the game to generate wide open looks. Curry actually got a TON of looks from scrambled possesions from from both halves. The requirement though is that its one of Kawhi-Green-Simmons. It reminds of how Rick Carlisle defended San Antonio two years ago. As good as curry is, This team moves the ball really ing well. In the few minutes the players stayed with their man, the result was A+
What doesn't work defensively
Double teams, Simmons guarding any of Klay or Curry off ball, Parker and Mills as a defensive player in this matchup. The bad news for spursfan is that both Parker and Mills are going to get overwhelmed in this matchup..Both offensively and defensively and it isn't going to change. When you double and force curry to pass, it doesn't actually mean Curry is not going to shoot the basketball, it's just means that they are going to pass the ball around and the spurs Will scramble and that would generate easy looks for Curry-Thompson and everyone else. It's not like doubling the PNR means Draymond would actually have to make a play and score. THIS GSW TEAM Isn't some random ass team with an antiquated look at the game. They're just as good if not better than San Antonio in terms of playiung ..Actually they are better, a lot better.
What works offensively
Midrange Jumpers are there for the bigs and the wings to take advantage off. Barnes or Klay CAN NOT guard Kawhi who was 4-6 and 7-7..Every Kawhi POST UP generated great looks. Boris Posting up anyone not named Bogut generates offense.
One point i had defensively was the spurs ability to guard in single coverage situation. They actually got a few good transition looks there but failed to utilize. Jonathan Simmons in Particular is a STUPID player, sadly. He reminds of younger westbrook who can't control his drive..He missed WAY to many wide open Shooters in transition with his eyes on the basket and worse the poor pass to mills...Just Piss poor transition IQ and probably selfishness in general.
What doesn't work offensively
Our PnR duo of Parker-Ginobili was a nightmare tonight and it is going to be a nightmare going forward. The scary part is that, the Bread and Butter of Todays's game the PnR and PnP is Heavily led towards GSW..by Heavily I mean, The spurs are just way below GSW. It's the combination of GSW having great defensive players in the PnR and only having a 34 year old and a 39 year old to rely on in the PnR...Even pop knows this as evidence by the lack of PnR by Parker and Ginobili in the 2nd half it was actually almost non existent...But it was a too late kinda adjustment, the warriros were already up 17 at that point.
Lamarcus Aldridge Post ups Never worked and I repeat never against good defensive teams. It's putrid. just terrible..The issue is that, the PnR wasn't working either so what was there to use? Kawhi score like 10 Points in the third, If I am not mistaken and that is virtually the only offensive weapon that heavily tilts towards San Antonio..Boris in the bench unit posting up works.
Big Question
How are you suppose to Beat the Golden State Warriors in a 7 Game series if the bread and butter of today's basketball heavily favours Golden State?
You can't win if Spurs take only 14 3 point attempts vs GSW 26.
Spurs simply don't have the offense to hang with the Dubs imo. Kawhi going full DPOY against Curry is the only way I can think of for the Spurs to have a chance in a 7 game series.
Spurs need a serious upgrade at the SG position if they want to beat GS. Maybe not this season but the next.
I seriously wanted to Puke. He's going to have great post up games when the matchup allows it, but this isn't a team that the spurs should be utilizing the bigs in the post outside of Boris. He can't pass, he can't score either..It's a disaster.
One question people kept on asking here " Can Draymond Guard LMA" the Answer " yeah man, it's like an NBA player guarding D-leaugue player.
The post offense isn't as big of an advantage as people make it out to be. Boris and West in the Bench works...but that's it.
With that warriors defense, the spurs are limited offensively....No way around it.
the series is going to be: either they blow the out of us like 2001 Lakers in sweep or the Spurs steal one in Oracle and get the classic 4-2..It is either Golden State is historically that GOOD or the Spurs has figured out a way to slow them down a bit and win a bunch of close games..
It's one game folks. Let the season play out and step back from all the absolute statements. They were better than the Spurs TONIGHT and it wasn't even close. The Spurs just need to move on and get back to work. Houston and Cleveland are next.
Typical vanilla response.
Yes it's one game, but some things are evident. Should the spurs give up? No..obviously. But these are things that clear and evident and the spurs should find ways to rectify these problems.
I observe the OP should stop making ing threads.
Danny Green better transform himself into JJ Re by the end of the season to compete vs the Warriors.
LMA should've utilized that turnaround more after he hit that 1st one in the third. It appears he's going to have to go god mode on that shot.
I don't think posting up Draymond is the answer, regardless of who it is. He's an elite post-up defender (90+ percentile)...I know guys like LMA might have a size advantage, but regardless, going 1-on-1 against a DPOTY-caliber guy isn't the answer IMO. If our offense is running through Aldridge or Tim or Diaw posting up Draymond, we're going to struggle. Spurs are going to have to find other ways to generate offense.
I think this is exactly why they opened the game with a Lamarcus three. Game plan SHOULD be to draw Draymond away from the post with Aldridge or West, and let Kawhi / Diaw / Anderson / etc. do work.
Pretty much accurate. They will either dominate the spurs and sweep them or take them out in 5 or the Spurs beat them in 6 or 7.
Agree. If something we can learn from this game is that Barnes/Klay even Iguodala -like in that play in the post- can't guard Kawhi once he gets the ball...Sadly, it seems like the Spurs don't care if he gets the ball.
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This is absolutely true. The teams that have had (limited) success against gsw (tor, mil, det, bklyn) did it by not overreacting on defense. spurs were running around with no idea what to do.they have a better shot by just manning up.
I'd agree, Aldridge is a huge reason why we lost by 30 today. No one was beating them today, btu we lost by 30 bc Aldridge didn't how up. Otherwise we lose by 10.
What is evident is that on Jan. 25th the Spurs carried a 13 game winning streak in to Golden State and played like dog . They also took the floor minus a team leader and starter. No one is giving up and no one should judge the remainder of the season on 1 game either. Trying to dissect a blowout loss like tonight's is ridiculous. Do you honestly think the way the Spurs played and turned the ball over is indicative of how they will play in future match ups? C'mon man. There's nothing vanilla about what I'm saying. Golden State played better tonight and punched the Spurs in the mouth. End of story, move on to the next one.
Didn't look like we had a game plan. By the time we put Kawhi on Curry the game was over. When it's for all the marbles I doubt we let him do whatever the he wants. Boris was very effective in the post, so that works. West played with some sack. Tim isn't going to allow a lay up fest. Danny is going to have to find himself and LMA has got to do some soul searching. Granted I think he plays better with Tim, but tonight he was an embarrassment out there.
Is 26 TO's a record? I would think so. They scored the majority of the point differential of TO's. A lot of slapping and hitting and it worked!
Yea and how you do that is continue to play your games. Fix your mistakes throughout the regular season. Houston next.
Bottom line the spurs offense is just too predictable, inside out offense is not gonna get it done unfortunately. It sucks but vs GSW, parker needs to be MVParker to have a chance
As for slowing the warriors offense, im not sure how to the spurs do that tbh. I mean they TRIED to take away the warriors 1st/2nd option but still got picked apart at the end of each possession.
Defensively i think theres some obvious adjusments they can make, and can easily be corrected but can this spurs offense evolve in 3 months for them to win another championship? Its hard to see right now tbh
Boris posting up Draymond will not work out as well ... Green just cannot be moved that's why he is still effective as a center. Boris made an extreme difficult hook shot over him because he could not get deeper into the paint
Perimeter speed and breaking defenses down through dribble drive penetration and/or creating separation for jumpers is what today's basketball is. These skills translate into running deadly pick-and-rolls and creating spacing and mismatches through forcing defenses to scramble.
Like I told you in the other thread, post offenses, no matter which player they're run through, are dead. You can use it once in awhile, sure, but it's a losing strategy in the long run. I always quote Rick Carlisle here, "Slow play equals death." Miami set the trend and Golden State has perfected it. The Spurs brilliantly countered pace and space with exceptional ball movement and player movement. Golden State is basically a combination of Miami's dribble-drive/dribble-shoot danger and the Spurs beautiful game offense.
We can't beat the Warriors without another elite wing, one who can stress defenses by relentlessly attacking (a la Westbrook). Too bad Parker and Manu still weren't in their primes, or it'd be on.
I had hope that the Spurs would cause another paradigm shift and prove the grindy style of basketball that worked in the 00s could still work (kill the opponent with length, in the post, and on the boards), but it looks like that isn't the case. Maybe against everyone else, but not GS, their 3 point shooting is too good and they can still defend bigger teams even when they go small with that "Death Squad" lineup, something we never really seen a team do successfully before. Usually small ball teams get out sized and worn down (think SSOL Suns or when the 2011 Spurs flirted with small ball).
I think Pop might have to think outside the box. Create our own death squad lineup, maybe with Kawhi at C (seriously. Green isn't really any bigger or stronger than Kawhi), Green at PF, Manu at SF, Simmons at SG, and Parker at PG (hide Parker on Barnes and have Green check Curry. And just hope Simmons doesn't get killed by Klay). That said, first try it with LMA or Boris at C, and then work your way smaller to Kawhi if LMA/Boris get worked on the pnr.
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