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    in bullet points..

    1- Pop isn't a Top 5 playoffs coach in the NBA.

    2- Rest is overrated..Kawhi/LMA didn't look ready/conditioned for big minutes in playoffs after spending the whole year getting babied with their workload like some +35 year-olds...as the series wore on, they both looked winded late in the 4th Quarters and their jumper was barely hitting the rim..Another Pop shtick bites the dust..

    3- His limited skillset aside, Danny Green is a proven playoff performer despite reg season struggles..I would only package him in a trade if there is a big fish out there (i.e Durant..)

    4- Countervailing the pace and space juggernaut of the Warriors with ISO ball and interior scoring would only be optimal if you had prime Duncan and MJ on the roster..Time for Pop to re-balance his gambit..

    5- That's how far removed from le contention this team is without a good TD/Ginobili in the same run...even a really amazing Tim in 2013 wasn't enough to finish the job..Lesson: lower your expectations for the upcoming few years..unless we hit another home run in the draft or FA, we won't be sniffing another le any time soon..
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    #2 is a death knell. Phil hardly ever rested Shaq, Kobe, or Pau. Didn't matter if they were winded or in foul trouble. To keep your stars on the floor for big minutes puts tremendous pressure on the opposition. Sure, them Lakers would lose a few battles (RS) but they were ready for the war (playoffs).

    Pop would rather have DNP-CDs and ensure a player is rested, rather than battle tested. I think this is a major reason why Spurs never repeated and why OKC was able to beat y'all.

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    #2 is a death knell. Phil hardly ever rested Shaq, Kobe, or Pau. Didn't matter if they were winded or in foul trouble. To keep your stars on the floor for big minutes puts tremendous pressure on the opposition. Sure, them Lakers would lose a few battles (RS) but they were ready for the war (playoffs).

    Pop would rather have DNP-CDs and ensure a player is rested, rather than battle tested. I think this is a major reason why Spurs never repeated and why OKC was able to beat y'all.
    What do you know, an actual basketball opinion versus some stupid really unoriginal trolling. Way to go big man.

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    Agree with everything but 5. Spurs have the core and enough assets/role players to contend with a couple additions next season, especially if Kawhi's game develops further.

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    #2 is a death knell. Phil hardly ever rested Shaq, Kobe, or Pau. Didn't matter if they were winded or in foul trouble. To keep your stars on the floor for big minutes puts tremendous pressure on the opposition. Sure, them Lakers would lose a few battles (RS) but they were ready for the war (playoffs).

    Pop would rather have DNP-CDs and ensure a player is rested, rather than battle tested. I think this is a major reason why Spurs never repeated and why OKC was able to beat y'all.
    i don't think rest is the problem per se. You gotta find a balance where they aren't overworked but not too rusty. Pop was masterful at this in 2014, but he's been ting the bed recently. Actually he's sharted the bed quite a bit in the past, even when Duncan was badass.

    Sadly I agree with number 5, I think Parker's contract is going to continue to hurt this team. It feels like the team has been on an extended farewell tour for awhile a la the Eagles.

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    Kawhi is the only player that isn't 30 that sometimes gets rest. 30,32,33,33,35,35,35,38,39,40 are the age of players Pop had..so I understand why he's does.

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    Kawhi is the only player that isn't 30 that sometimes gets rest. 30,32,33,33,35,35,35,38,39,40 are the age of players Pop had..so I understand why he's does.
    30? he isn't even 25!!! Rest is hurting him more than helping cuz if u rest rest rest, they aren't ready for battle. You train as you fight.

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    30 is Aldridge.

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    in bullet points..

    1- Pop isn't a Top 5 playoffs coach in NBA.

    2- Rest is overrated..Kawhi/LMA didn't look ready/conditioned for big minutes in playoffs after spending the whole year getting babied with their workload like some +35 year-olds...as the series wore on, they both looked winded late in the 4th Quarters and their jumper was barely hitting the rim..Another Pop shtick bites the dust..

    3- His limited skillset aside, Danny Green is a proven playoff performer despite reg season struggles..I would only package him in a trade if there is a big fish out there (i.e Durant..)

    4- Countervailing the pace an space juggernaut of the Warriors with ISO ball and interior scoring would only be optimal if you had prime Duncan and MJ on the roster..Time for Pop to re-balance his gambit..

    5- That's how far removed from le contention this team is without a good TD/Ginobili at the same run...even a really amazing Tim in 2013 wasn't enough to finish the job..Lesson: lower your expectations for the upcoming few years..unless we hit another home run in the draft or FA, we won't be sniffing another le any time soon..
    1. Disagree.
    2. Agree 100%. Pop's resting of players makes them soft IMO.
    3. Ambivalent about Green. He sucked against OKC in 2012, was Jekyll and Hyde in 2013 finals, was good in 2014, sucked balls against LAC in 2015 until game 7 and played well this year.
    4. Disagree. The Spurs cornerstones are Iso players. Get used to it.
    5. I'm not lowering my expectations because I'm not expecting les post-Duncan (barring the addition of another superstar and/or a new young coach to re-energize the franchise). I'm expecting entertaining, humble playoff teams that I can continue to support for years to come. There's nothing wrong with that.

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    #2 they had non help and were carrying a full roster of geriatrics save Danny. How did LeBron look by himself against the entire GSW in the Finals. Once it is you and a sidekick against the world it's too much. That's not even the Spurs way. Leonard bc he's a two way player dealing at times with the hyperathlete that is Russ or Durant both of who had a cakewalk on the defensive end comparably, LMA 7bc he was the only young big banging, having to play center whenever TD wasn't in and carrying the offensive load against a hyperathletic frontline.

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    Ya point 2 became clearer as the series wore on.

    Pop conditioned them alright

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    The rest shtick by Poopovich is so gy I wish Silver would take a page out of Stern's jewbook and fine the out of the organization next time Poop tries that bull . If you don't want the 35+ year olds to play back to backs or the 33+ year olds to go for 40 minutes a night during the reg season that's one thing, but these are the best conditioned athletes in the world you ing kidding me with this DNP-Pinkeye garbage? We got 24 to 28 year olds with the best, most athletic black DNA in the history of human kind, they don't need rest especially in the goddamn playoffs.

    AI had seasons where he averaged 43+ in the reg season and 46+ in the post season during his twenties. There's so much bull between tv timeouts and the bazillion coaches timeouts that it's not like they don't get a dozen or more breaks throughout the game anyways. I ran cross country at an all district level when i was 17 years old I could run for forty eight minutes straight no problem and I didn't have the elite DNA or trainers access that these athletes do.

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    #2 is a death knell. Phil hardly ever rested Shaq, Kobe, or Pau. Didn't matter if they were winded or in foul trouble. To keep your stars on the floor for big minutes puts tremendous pressure on the opposition. Sure, them Lakers would lose a few battles (RS) but they were ready for the war (playoffs).

    Pop would rather have DNP-CDs and ensure a player is rested, rather than battle tested. I think this is a major reason why Spurs never repeated and why OKC was able to beat y'all.
    You're not wrong.

    Which is why Phil always has an edge over Pop as a playoffs coach.

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    5- That's how far removed from le contention this team is without a good TD/Ginobili in the same run...even a really amazing Tim in 2013 wasn't enough to finish the job..Lesson: lower your expectations for the upcoming few years..unless we hit another home run in the draft or FA, we won't be sniffing another le any time soon..
    Injuries made 2013 possible, tbh. OKC was the best team in the West that season, they had the #1 offense & #4 defense.

    Basically, Curry's ankle will keep the window open as long as the team is ready to jump on the opportunity.

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    The rest shtick by Poopovich is so gy I wish Silver would take a page out of Stern's jewbook and fine the out of the organization next time Poop tries that bull . If you don't want the 35+ year olds to play back to backs or the 33+ year olds to go for 40 minutes a night during the reg season that's one thing, but these are the best conditioned athletes in the world you ing kidding me with this DNP-Pinkeye garbage? We got 24 to 28 year olds with the best, most athletic black DNA in the history of human kind, they don't need rest especially in the goddamn playoffs.

    AI had seasons where he averaged 43+ in the reg season and 46+ in the post season during his twenties. There's so much bull between tv timeouts and the bazillion coaches timeouts that it's not like they don't get a dozen or more breaks throughout the game anyways. I ran cross country at an all district level when i was 17 years old I could run for forty eight minutes straight no problem and I didn't have the elite DNA or trainers access that these athletes do.
    They are not the best conditioned athletes in the world, but you're right about the rest.

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    The rest shtick by Poopovich is so gy I wish Silver would take a page out of Stern's jewbook and fine the out of the organization next time Poop tries that bull . If you don't want the 35+ year olds to play back to backs or the 33+ year olds to go for 40 minutes a night during the reg season that's one thing, but these are the best conditioned athletes in the world you ing kidding me with this DNP-Pinkeye garbage? We got 24 to 28 year olds with the best, most athletic black DNA in the history of human kind, they don't need rest especially in the goddamn playoffs.

    AI had seasons where he averaged 43+ in the reg season and 46+ in the post season during his twenties. There's so much bull between tv timeouts and the bazillion coaches timeouts that it's not like they don't get a dozen or more breaks throughout the game anyways. I ran cross country at an all district level when i was 17 years old I could run for forty eight minutes straight no problem and I didn't have the elite DNA or trainers access that these athletes do.
    The DNP-Rest is to PREVENT injuries & the low minutes is b/c players are most likely to pick up muscle injuries when they are fatigued. Look at the Bulls starters in the past 5 seasons, all of them have played high minutes & all of them have been chronically injured.

    This only applies to those who expend energy on BOTH sides of the court, cats like James Harden can get away by taking a breather on defense.

    There are also a couple of highly conditioned players who never get injured but that's like 5% of the league.

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    The DNP-Rest is to PREVENT injuries & the low minutes is b/c players are most likely to pick up muscle injuries when they are fatigued. Look at the Bulls starters in the past 5 seasons, all of them have played high minutes & all of them have been chronically injured.

    This only applies to those who expend energy on BOTH sides of the court, cats like James Harden can get away by taking a breather on defense.

    There are also a couple of highly conditioned players who never get injured but that's like 5% of the league.
    LOL

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    1....Pop doesn't suck. Your just emo we lost.

    2....Rest.....it is physically impossible to model a 7 game series against the leagues best shooting SF and a crazy PG. Same with LMA very few 2x towers. no one yet has shown you can be the teams best defender and first option without being gassed. I have a hard time believing Lebron isn't a worse athlete and he paced himself even in his prime years.

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    Injuries made 2013 possible, tbh. OKC was the best team in the West that season, they had the #1 offense & #4 defense.

    Basically, Curry's ankle will keep the window open as long as the team is ready to jump on the opportunity.
    Shut the up. The Spurs had the 7th best offensive rating and 3rd best defensive rating in 2013, which they managed to replicate the following season.

    The window will only "re open" if Pop and the rest of the front office can find younger, better and more athletic pieces around Aldridge and Leonard. So many older players on one team isn't getting it done against two teams like Oklahoma City and Golden State.

    Better depth and versatility is what's needed, people.

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    Kawhi was tired because he was busting his ass at both ends of the floor. If he had more help rebounding, handling the ball, defending, he would have been fine.

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    In light of OKC beating the Warriors in GS, for all we know we were a few really bad whistles away from the le this year.

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    KD just played 46 minutes

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    KD just played 46 minutes
    He'll be ready to play 46 next game too.. lol.. discipline is necessary throughout the whole season to be successful later.

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    KD just played 46 minutes

    Yup just like 27 year old elite athletes are capable of doing

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    i don't think rest is the problem per se. You gotta find a balance where they aren't overworked but not too rusty. Pop was masterful at this in 2014, but he's been ting the bed recently. Actually he's sharted the bed quite a bit in the past, even when Duncan was badass.

    Sadly I agree with number 5, I think Parker's contract is going to continue to hurt this team. It feels like the team has been on an extended farewell tour for awhile a la the Eagles.
    That goes back to the adjustments thing. In '14 more players played well. You have to be able to go with who is playing well and rely on them more.

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