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You don't need MJ to judge LeBron. If it weren't for Amy Duncan he'd have that 1.
Disagree on Kerr
But damn he went ballistic
You don't need MJ to judge LeBron. If it weren't for Amy Duncan he'd have that 1.
You can't call Phil the best coach in the league when he hadn't won . It's like calling Tony Parker the best PG in the league in 2003 because he became good. That's how people say Tim had help, he had Manu and Tony, two HOFers, and David, who was obviously in his prime in 2003.
These arguments are always bull .
Yeah but after 3 les in a 3 peat.. thats enough to be considered the best coach. Then after that they get ANOTHER 3 peat? Plus the players on the second 3 peat weren't the same. Like tims 4th and 5th le Ginobili and Parker were known stars in there own right. The bulls had players coming in known in there own right as well.. His argument still has ground. Lebron still dragged bosh with zero pointsm zero rebounds, Jordan never had to deal with that.
Then he got that 3 peat with Kobe & Daddy. Don't forget that one, monk.
tee, hee.
lol yeah and then two more after that! The last two are extremely impressive due to the fact he dragged Kobe there kicking and screaming
But before he did any of that, you cannot say he was a great coach. Eric Spoelstra has a b2b and hit the Finals 4x in a row, something Phil never did. Is Eric a great coach? No. He's OK, but the fan base wanted him fired after that loss in 2011.
The hindsight argument is circular reasoning: Jordan won because he had a great coach. Why was he a great coach? Because Jordan won.
Yeah yeah 2nd 5th per par..
Whenever you're done with that rag, give it back to me, I'd like to set it out on the back porch in the sun to dry.
Kobe saved Daddy from ruination in Portland '00. If Kobe doesn't do that there is none after 11. We're stuck at 11.lol yeah and then two more after that! The last two are extremely impressive due to the fact he dragged Kobe there kicking and screaming
Kobe Bryant is a hero.
OT:::Colin would look fine as a girl, maybe even dressed as a girl.
Video was uploaded in 2013 after Lebron won two les.
Well.. Trade Kobe with T-mac, Wade, what do you get? The same thing, Kobe just had the exposure of LA. Trade Shaq with anyone else at that time? Thats when you're really stuck at 11.
You think Jordan wins any les with the teams Lebron had, being asked to do as much as Lebron, after those 2 les?
That's supposition, Monk. What happened in Portland/'00 is fact. We don't ring there, it's over for Daddy. Media woulda crushed him. They'd a saved Kobe for afterward, but, they'd a crucified Shaq, on the spot. He'd been warned.
Go back to the Indy Final video,,,and find Daddy immediately after ringing as he searched for his people at the ropes. No game face there. It's a frightening and sobering sight and caused this fellow to wipe the grin offin' his face and ease on back in the Lazy Boy. "Oh."
Ultimate bandwagon I see
We get Timmy for Shaq we may have 17 or 18 instead of 16 ...
That's highly debatable. T-mac's drive was not even in the same league as Kobe's. That alone would probably not amount to much. Wade maybe. But stop exaggerating the commonality.
Aren't great players supposed to make those around them better, not worse?
Thats a good point.. But you could also see it as, he was dominantly the best player on those teams. Even when those players couldnt contribute he STILL dragged the team to victories. Unlike a Kobe where he doesn't make his teammates better, but they drag HIM to victory.
I think its a fair argument.. you dont need much of a drive when you have Shaq on your team. Yeah you need a drive, like Mike, Like Lebron, Like duncan, to take a team from the bottom to the top. But when you're thrown onto a team with shaq right out the gate.. How much motivation do you need? It's not like he was asked to carry the team and be the leader, thats why T-mac could fit the role.
True, over all. But Shaqs dominance during that 3-peat is undeniable..
Im not saying he was just a role player.. Obviously the dude has some skill.. I mean im comparing him to the likes of D-wade and T-mac after all! You can make that argument for any great really.. Ray allen misses, Lebron is ed. Kerr misses, Jordan is ed. I would say "Pau doesn't pull through Kobe's 6-24, Kobe is ed." But I dont really consider Kobe a great. My point is we all know one player cant win a le, doesn't change the fact Kobe is lite 3 les without your Daddy.
The league has been manipulating games via officiating since the early 80's. I always take that into account.
Only pussies & assholes blame the officiating.
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