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He was going to be in Austin most of the season before the Lee signing.
I put him in a cliff dwelling so we can all jump off if need be.
So what does the signing of Lee do to the status of LVC?
Is Lee the veteran insurance that Pop always likes around, or have the Spurs seen enough of LVC to believe he isn't close yet?
Do the Spurs plan on putting him on the shelf in Austin, or giving him some playing time and then trading him before the deadline?
He was going to be in Austin most of the season before the Lee signing.
We really did need an experienced big. LJC needed to work on his game regardless.
Here I am lighting candles in a shrine so that he develops this season, but he will need time. Also, no I don't think he will be put in the trade block his rookie year. It's very unlike Pop. They will give him Austin time and evaluate the situation next summer, when they have to decide ahead of time to pick up the option on his third season. Rookie scale deals are such a bargain that it's really worth it to give guys a season at least before jumping off the cliff.
I don't know after we dumped Butler mid season and after we traded Diaw I don't think he is above bring traded/cut.
Butler was a veteran and so was Diaw. This is a young guy 22 years old. If they didn't intend to give him at least a season, why pick him up at all. Even Daye got a season and Ayers got two and they were scrubs. Now if he doesn't improve in a season that's different, but this is a young draft pick, not to be judged like some vet.
I ain't contributing to no collection plate here...
Lee was promised a good role, was the biggest reason he chose us. That means Livio is Austin bound (He really, really, really, needs it)
Count me in
He's the 6th big right now (with Kyle/Bertans getting minutes at the 4), but if we work on him he might become a nice role player as he's got the IQ and the athletic tools
Found on reddit scout notes posted from draftexpress scout Joshua Riddell on Livio Jean Charles, Davis Bertans and Dejounte Murray
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/4sgksz/davis_bertans_and_livio_jeancharles_scouting_notes/
There is a link to google docs where if you are interested you can read more about them or other rookies who played and the notes he gathered for summer league rookies. I browsed through some of them to find out his opinion on some guys I watched.Hey guys. I am a writer for DraftExpress and have a basketball scouting notes database. See twitter account here. I recently put up scouting notes on Davis Bertans and Livio Jean-Charles and wanted to share my thoughts.
See the links for full scouting notes but I will put some abbreviated thoughts here.
Livio Jean-Charles full notes: Athletic but not super skilled. Relies on his teammates to put him in scoring position around the rim. Will have to be a perimeter player at 6'9" but not comfortable shooting or even handling the ball from the perimeter. Can get some baskets in transition, on offensive rebounds or cuts from the baseline but has to become better at timing his cuts from the 3 point line. Has to find his offensive niche to make defenses guard him or exploit them losing him with well-timed cuts. Not as good as a defensive asset as you want for someone who is limited offensively. Has the physical tools but doesn't move that quick laterally because he's in a poor stance and hasn't really put up statistical production you would expect with his wingspan and athleticism. Only 22 - same age as a college senior so he can develop in a few years but may struggle to earn consistent rotation minutes this season.
Thanks!
The above are some abbreviated notes. LJC looks like he has a lot of work to do to improve even defensively and it's a concern. I still think the Spurs evaluate him after giving him a season. The Spurs have demonstrated a lot of patience with their rookies though and I think they will do the same for Livio at least his first season. He probably does have to show improvement just like all projects after a reasonable opportunity but it's unlikely to be relevant only after given a sufficient opportunity until next season.
OMG hes 22!! give up on him!!!
Nice find thanks for sharing! LJC is an intriguing prospect.
Hm I expected somewhat more comprehensive notes from an actual scout. There is no mention of screen setting, post defense, ability as a help defender, working the P&R as the roll man, catching the ball.
Me too, and him scouting LJC as a wing when the dude is closer to a center than a SF is interesting. Definitely needs a lot or work, on his body more than anything else right now. Give him a corner-three and get him to a point where he can physically hold up against NBA bigs, and he can get minutes. Trying to develop ball-handling and cuts from the three-point line is a good way to get him cut.
Also just noticed this strange detail about Bertans:
I mean even if your are generous you can't possbily think that Bertans has a wingspan longer than 7 ft. It seems that there aren't any official measurements but Draftexpress itself described his wingspan as average (6'10 like his height) during the draft process.- Good wingspan - 7'3 or so (estimated)
Well, Bertans was 18 back when that report came out. He could be longer now.
I guess it is possible but growing from 6'10 to 7'3 seems just a bit unlikely to me. Watching him play last season (and before that), I never thought that he was particularly long. You don't see him getting rebounds out of his area or deflections and steals with regularity.
It's crazy we sign this guy to the team and we basically have to teach him the game of basketball from scratch. WTF.
Wouldn't been much easier when he was 19.
i care about him even less after seeing how garino plays.
The whole issue with Livio is we tried to make a SF out of a PF. So he was kinda stuck between two positions his team tried him at SF but he couldn't do it so I think they just gave up and kept him at PF b
Will be competing for the le of the "worst french player to ever play for the Spurs". So far in the hands of "2016 Boris Diaw".
The full notes are in a spreadsheet. You had to click on the guy's link. I thought they were comprehensive:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1759867790
The 7'3" wingspan is likely wrong given Bertans very narrow shoulders.
Spurs next Malcolm Thomas/JaMichael Green. If you thought Poop sweeping LJC under a French rug was fun, you're gonna love Austin this basketball season.
You forget Mahimni and Nando.
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