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I can see him fit in Philly with their passer forwards and Brett Brown.
“It's a factor that I can't ignore. I've obviously wanted to be a starting point guard in the NBA for a long time as a goal. But you know, every situation is different, and I've learned stuff along the way. I think I'm a better point guard now than I was when I first came to San Antonio. That credit goes to the environment here and how I've been able to develop my game. That's something that I'm going to have to consider. It's not the be-all and end-all of my decision, but we'll see when it comes. This is obviously a big year for our team and trying to be able to concentrate and stay focused team-wise on trying to get to that next level of a championship. But if I can concentrate and focus on this team and what I can do to help this team, I think everything else will take care of itself.”
I have seen speculation on this one every which way with many already letting it be known that it doesn't make sense to pay a lot for Mills this upcoming off-season with Murray in the team in a very cheap room contract, and guards like Forbes very cheap and maybe Laprovittola as well.
I have no take on this one bc I have felt Pop wanted retain Patty so long as the team could afford him, but Manu might retire and Spurs may want to go in a different direction. It's also possible Patty gets not only better financial offers elsewhere, but a role that is more interesting. He has to cash in too. He hasn't had a big payday.
This statement by Patty left things open for him to leave after this season and many GMs might be perking up their ears.
I can see him fit in Philly with their passer forwards and Brett Brown.
He should cash in. He already won here and it's his time to try something new IMO
Agreed I think Manu retires and he leaves this season. In perspective Forbes makes a lot of sense.
Patty should cash in tbh...Most likely get a 40/4 deal somewhere...
With Manu most likely retiring, PATFO has their sights on a legit starter in FA..possibly even a star.
Yeah, he's most likely gone.
Seriously though, he probably feels like he should have started this year...dont blame him.
For Danny Green?He's not a pg.
If Brett Brown doesn't get fired before next season, they'll make him their starting PG. Manu will retire. Murray and Forbes will replace them
Honestly, it's all about what Pau does and what the team can do in free agency. Right now, you "know" that Kawhi, LMA and Danny will be in the 2016 rotation. Hopefully Anderson shows he should be too, and Parker is playing at least as well a top backup.
This is what the team is looking at cap wise going into 2017-2018:
2017-2018 Cap Space Scenario A Scenario B LaMarcus Aldridge $21,461,010 $21,461,010 Kawhi Leonard $18,868,625 $18,868,625 Pau Gasol $16,197,500 Tony Parker $15,453,126 $15,453,126 Danny Green $10,000,000 $10,000,000 Dewayne Dedmon $3,028,410 Tim Duncan (stretched) $1,881,250 $1,881,250 David Lee $2,408,951 Kyle Anderson $2,151,704 $2,151,704 Livio Jean-Charles (waived) $414,080 $414,080 Dejounte Murray $1,357,874 $1,357,874 Bryn Forbes $1,357,874 $1,357,874 Davis Bertans $1,357,874 $1,357,874 Roster Charges (Estimated) $862,000 $3,448,000 Estimated Total $96,800,276 $77,751,416
Scenario A is where everyone opts in and no non-guaranteed deal is waived, and B is where everyone opts out and Forbes is waived. One thing to note is that I accounted for the rise in the min that is reported to be in the new CBA, and that takes a good deal of projected cap space away. (I also think Dedmon might opt if he plays poorly enough, but let's hope not.)
I think the Spurs find themselves closer to A than B, probably in the $92-Million range. If cap projections bear out, that leaves $10 Million in room. If the min deals are not raised, then it could be an extra million. It's not obvious looking at this that the Spurs may well just bring back the same team with the MLE being used on one bench big and Milutinov being brought in to be the other one (or more precisely to compete with Bertans and a min guy for the spot). Bringing Patty back is just a smart use of resources then.
Well the smartest use might be to S&T Patty for a big like Noel and use the MLE on a guard. The good news is that the MLE is also projected to increase to like $8 Million, so that's good. That should give it the buying power to snag someone good.
To make a long post longer, here's a quick mock off-season for next summer:
In the draft next summer, the Spurs pick Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, since that just seems like something they'd do. In July are in Scenario A except Dedmon and Lee opt out. They decide to forego cap space and keep everyone else in addition to having Milutinov come over. They throw their 2018 first-rounder and Mills ($39M/3) in order to secure Noel in a S&T ($80M/4). They then use the MLE on Teodosic ($25M/3 with a player option in the final year). When camp breaks, Garino and Lalanne are the final to guys on the team.
This is the depth chart in that scenario:
PG: Parker, Teodosic, Murray
SG: Green, Forbes, Mykhailiuk
SF: Leonard, Anderson, Garino
PF: Aldridge, Bertans, Lalanne
C: Gasol, Noel, Milutinov
Here's how the salary breaks down:
Player Name Salary LaMarcus Aldridge $21,461,010 Kawhi Leonard $18,868,625 Nerlens Noel $18,600,000 Pau Gasol $16,197,500 Tony Parker $15,453,126 Danny Green $10,000,000 Milos Teodosic $8,000,000 Tim Duncan (stretched) $1,881,250 Kyle Anderson $2,151,704 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk $1,845,540 Livio Jean-Charles (waived) $414,080 Dejounte Murray $1,357,874 Bryn Forbes $1,357,874 Davis Bertans $1,357,874 Patricio Garino $862,000 Cady Lalanne $862,000 Estimated Total $120,670,456 Estimated Tax Threshold $122,000,000 Room Under Tax $1,329,545
That would actually be pretty goddamned ideal.
J Okafor for Mills would work...
Patty is hardly a PG and would hardly be this successful in the NBA without the Spurs system, imo.
Point is, Spurs are unlikely to give him the starting PG position imo. If he wants to be a starter and get paid, it would be a given for me he would go elsewhere.
With that said, I still miss death sentence Patty.
Its a business and I can never blame a player for taking the best payday. Hope he stays but if not I'm ok with it.
I don't know about that I think maybe the Spurs are holding him back a little. Wasn't he the leading scorer in the last 2 Olympics ? Either way I'm sure there are teams out there that will pay him, I would love to see him stay but if he wants to get paid I can't complain.
And he will be a good fit for them, too.
This for sure.
Thanks for all your hard work. Very interesting, although I personally don't understand many ST posters' preoccupation with Noel. Especially if Milutinov joins the team next season, I would prefer somebody (unidentified, as yet) other than Noel.
He's caught between being better than he gets to show but worse than people think he will be. As an off-ball defender, I think he's a great long-term compliment to Aldridge and better than what the team can expect from an MLE big. He definitely has more upside than Dedmon does, for example. His injury history is the scary thing.
The ideal thing would be to go into 2018 with Kawhi, a Noel who's playing to his potential and an actualized Murray under contract for a combined $42 Million with an actualized Anderson, Bertans an Forbes as RFAs. Would be awfully attractive to a max free agent or two if Green and LMA don't come back.
I love Mills, and he is probably the best character-guy after Tim/Manu the Spurs have had in their lockeroom in the Big 3 era..But the truth is we should not be paying for his 2014 hot-shooting run in 2017, and neither should he be accepting of any offer he deems a "lowball" in this market..
A diminutive SG disguised as PG without playmaking skills and atrocious D (make no mistake; body can't match heart and will here), nearing 30, the Spurs have more pressing needs to address with a double-figure salary in the next 4 years than what Patty offers . With Manu likely retiring, it will mark the official dissolution of the "bench gang".. Things sometimes are cyclical like that.
If Forbes pans out, i may even try to dangle him in the trade deadline..
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If he wants to go somewhere else next year, good for him. If he wants to leave now, he should go to management and ask for a trade. But don't start this distraction with the media, just before the season is about to start. Now it just hangs over everybody's head for the rest of the year.
He's trying to up the stakes because it's a contract year. He damn well better have a great season now.
In that scenario, Milutinov really intrigues me. I think an actualized Milutinov could outshine an actualized Noel. Noel's injury history is a big concern. Plus, I think Noel is going to command a salary much higher than he is actually worth.
How the are people being dismissive of patty when he already gave the Spurs a really low ball contract. 4 year 40 mill is ing cheap for patty already. He talks like Manu. Smart and respective all the time. GSH a .
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