A Real Leader In Tough Times

[Nbadan]

Yes, those are real medals



Bosnia-Kosovo Conflict under Clark - 0 dead, Iraq - 1952 dead



Bring Our Boys Home Winners Clark!



All Is Good in the World

[Cant_Be_Faded]

America is safer today because we invaded Iraq?????????
HOW DO YOU PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS ????
What the ??!?!??? So ing safe that he called for a reinstatement of the Patriot Act and is still drooling over the opportunity to ratify Patriot Act II????


So ing safe that we still cannot watch Fox News without seeing "Terror Alert: Elevated" every other day?

How can people actually follow and vote for this bag?!??

The very fact that we found NO WMD's makes our pre-emptive strike against Iraq totally unjustified....yet we stayed there and produced more bull reasons to do it

[mookie2001]

I don't like Bush







in case any of yall have never read one of my political posts

[Cant_Be_Faded]

gutless gutless republicans


I defy anyone in this ing forum to give me one real positive thing that republicans have done for this country, with conservative (not liberal) actions

one, please
give me faith that my country is not going this far into the ter

[xrayzebra]

America is safer today because we invaded Iraq?????????
HOW DO YOU PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS ????
What the ??!?!??? So ing safe that he called for a reinstatement of the Patriot Act and is still drooling over the opportunity to ratify Patriot Act II????


So ing safe that we still cannot watch Fox News without seeing "Terror Alert: Elevated" every other day?

How can people actually follow and vote for this bag?!??

The very fact that we found NO WMD's makes our pre-emptive strike against Iraq totally unjustified....yet we stayed there and produced more bull reasons to do it

Another one who knows how to express himself in mixed company! Gee, isn't it great to have someone who know how to express themselves?

[SWC Bonfire]

You had your chance... the primary voters in the Democratic party chose Kerry instead because he was "electable".

[Vashner]

NBADan .. you are a complete moron..

I used to work for Air Force Material Command.. And I know from the inside...

This general is a complete pussy.. he wears eyeliner...

The guy is a looser.. if you want a military that cowers under the sheets like a little cry baby this would be a good leader.. .for whimps like Dan that get scared of a
little butterfly or roach...

Kosovo? He presided over some F15 bombing runs.. big ing deal. He was not the pilots or crew that did the bombing...

How the can you compare a limited air campaign to a prolonged ground war?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

(if you are not the person im thinking of then forgive my ignorance)

Funny Vashner, how you are so quick to use your former service to make it seem like you're billy bad ass, and how the common marines are such stalwart soldiers who know their duty is to die, yet you just make fun of a General (and coincidentally while trying to defend conserving and attack liberating)

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Another one who knows how to express himself in mixed company! Gee, isn't it great to have someone who know how to express themselves?

Sorry but the rage and malice within me due to the words, actions, results, and turn of events caused by this administration knows no bounds anymore.

[SWC Bonfire]

What is funny is that Wesley Clark IS actually a pretty politically moderate person and would be acceptable to most Americans, so he probably disagrees with about 90% of what Nbadan posts.

[Marcus Bryant]

Funny how Clark's genius move to avoid casualties in Kosovo was to fight the war from 30,000 feet above.

That wasn't possible in Iraq.

Try again.

[boutons]

"from 30,000 feet above."

I remember a huge debate, controversy in Congress about the US committing ground forces in the Balkans, the US feeling the Balkans were a European problem first, to be handled by the Europeans. Clark was not given a free hand to intervene in whichever way he wanted.

What wasn't possible in Iraq was US success because dubya/Repubs/wolfy/rummy preferred to give $Bs to the rich and corpy while to fighting the war on the cheap without enough ground forces and equipment.

Try again.

[RandomGuy]

You had your chance... the primary voters in the Democratic party chose Kerry instead because he was "electable".

Yup. Dumb. I still get irritated when I think about that. Draft dodger vs. Major General.

Kind of hard to claim he was *soft* on anything. pfft.

[Marcus Bryant]

"from 30,000 feet above."

I remember a huge debate, controversy in Congress about the US committing ground forces in the Balkans, the US feeling the Balkans were a European problem first, to be handled by the Europeans. Clark was not given a free hand to intervene in whichever way he wanted.

What wasn't possible in Iraq was US success because dubya/Repubs/wolfy/rummy preferred to give $Bs to the rich and corpy while to fighting the war on the cheap without enough ground forces and equipment.

Try again.

Bull . He certainly had his choice.

[RandomGuy]

Funny how Clark's genius move to avoid casualties in Kosovo was to fight the war from 30,000 feet above.

That wasn't possible in Iraq.

Try again.

I could tell ya how we could have avoided casualties in Iraq...

[Marcus Bryant]

Sure, not go there in the first place and pray that leaving Hussein in charge didn't come back to haunt the US. With administrations of both parties in agreement that Hussein had to go over the last decade or so I didn't have a problem with the decision to take him out. There was already a strong case to take him out prior to 9-11.

[RandomGuy]

Sure, not go there in the first place and pray that leaving Hussein in charge didn't come back to haunt the US. With administrations of both parties in agreement that Hussein had to go over the last decade or so I didn't have a problem with the decision to take him out. There was already a strong case to take him out prior to 9-11.

Aaah, you assume that what I meant was that we shouldn't have invaded. Taking Hussein out didn't cause all the casualties, the post-war insurgency did.

This insurgency could have been mitigated by an administration with enough sense and competence to plan for it.

Bush's incompetence has killed, and is killing our soldiers. I honestly think he should be impeached for this. Clinton gets a BJ and gets impeached, but Bush's killing of our troops is OK, because he's a republican.

[RandomGuy]

As evidence, the numbers speak for themselves.




16,837 Total U.S. Casualties

1,935 Dead 14,902 Wounded
Data for weeks ending: Saturday 10/1/2005 Tuesday 10/4/2005 (Latest DOD Update)
Since Baghdad Fell: 1,813 Dead 93.7% of Total

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Sure, not go there in the first place and pray that leaving Hussein in charge didn't come back to haunt the US. With administrations of both parties in agreement that Hussein had to go over the last decade or so I didn't have a problem with the decision to take him out. There was already a strong case to take him out prior to 9-11.

That's arguable, but surely you will admit the general american public had no wish or desire (as a whole) to go to war with Iraq pre-9/11


What pisses off most non-re ed americans is this administrations inability or unwillingness to admit their mistakes and cut their losses while they are ahead, or admit that their foreign policy has been sucking ass for decades.

Terrorism changes the game, the rules, everything when it comes to war.

But terrorism always has a political objective, a motive...
If the U.S. ensured that all these rogue factions and al-qaeda's had a proper voice in the world political forum, do you really think those terrorists would attack us like they have been?

Regardless of how much brainwashing has been done, nothing changes the fact that those muslim/muslim radicals are still people, and sure there are crazy megalomaniacs who want to see americans dead, but the majority are a political faction at heart with politcal aims, and if the administration would open their gutless conservative eyes and realize there were other solutions to this fiasco other than pleasing dumbass redneck heads by going to WAR, then I would never scoff at the gayness of conservatives in power.

ever.

[RandomGuy]

[RandomGuy]

Lack of enough body armor is yet another way in which the Bush Administration's negligence is killing and has directly killed our soldiers.

The piss poor planning of this whole post-war occupation is symptomatic of this administration from the get-go, yet how do Republicans reward this incompetance: loyalty.

Bush apologists arguably put loyalty to the party above their loyalty to the country. They blind themselves to his mistakes because he is "their" guy and can do no wrong. Holding your political party above your duty of citizenship is traitorous.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Bush apologists arguably put loyalty to the party above their loyalty to the country. They blind themselves to his mistakes because he is "their" guy and can do no wrong. Holding your political party above your duty of citizenship is traitorous.

I agree with this.

[Marcus Bryant]

What if someone is not loyal to any party but thought it had to be done and that invariably some things cannot be adequately prepared for? Insurgents do not employ standard military tactics.

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]

This insurgency could have been mitigated by an administration with enough sense and competence to plan for it.

RG, stating that the administration didn't have enough sense and was incompetent is an opinion that can't be proven so isn't this a case of hindsight being 20/20? Are there substantiated pre-invasion arguements from any source predicting a prolonged and sustained insurgency and a means of dealing with it?

If the charges can't be persuasively argued by showing ignorance and a blatant disregard of some preexisting and proven effective methodology in handling an unknown quan y (and I don't see how it can) then what's the point of the charge?

almost midnight here, bedtime

[Cant_Be_Faded]

What if someone is not loyal to any party but thought it had to be done and that invariably some things cannot be adequately prepared for? Insurgents do not employ standard military tactics.

I don't know, what if?

To me it seems a little gay and pompous to tell your people you're going to engage in war for one reason, tell them you ed up but have another reason to stay anyways, for bush to say we have many battle ready, trained iraqi units when his ing general says one day previous we have ONE, why can't they realize this is costing life and we're not ing winning....
"Last throes" ring any bells? Why must they keep lying to us?
It's absurd.


I dont even konw how long we've been at war already, but you think during this time (i mean, if this conservative regime IS so competent) of war, they'd also be finding non-violent political ways to appease those regimes from which the insurgents and terrorists spring from.