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    if Parker is our starting PG in 2017-2018, don't in wanna read the "C" word (contender) in forum discussions next season..





    This is the boxscore of a healthy starting point guard of an NBA team with le aspirations in two consecutive games..Just weep..

    It is bordering on front office malpractice if PATFO doesn't address this embarrassment in the summer.

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    Parker and Ginobli will be around until all of Lavar Ball's boys are in the league coming off picks killing us.

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    Didn't he say he wants to play 20 years, tbh?

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    This trash ass team won't do a damn thing. PATFO won't get their heads out of their ass.

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    There's no realistic fix that's going to catapult the Spurs over the Warriors. It's Warriors time right now ( like it was ours in the 00's) and we are the Suns/Mavs of the mid 00's. It is what is it.

    Next year is a transition year. One where they have to throw Murray in the fire to expedite his growth like Spurs did with Parker in 01'. It simply has to happen. Next year will be a transition year, but Spurs will still win 55+ games and still give us hope. The same hope the Suns fans had in the mid 00's.

    Hopefully Murray can reach his high ceiling in the next few years to be able to help prime Leonard have a real shot when Warriors start descending.

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    By the time the Spurs get a new starting PG and/or Murray shows enough potential to start, it'll be an entirely different team, outside of Kawhi, tbh..Aldridge will be gone, Green will either be gone or move to the bench, Manu/Pau will be retired, etc..c'est la vie, tbh..

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    Wanting to pay Mills 50 millions when the road to the le goes through Golden State ..

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    By the time the Spurs get a new starting PG and/or Murray shows enough potential to start, it'll be an entirely different team, outside of Kawhi, tbh..Aldridge will be gone, Green will either be gone or move to the bench, Manu/Pau will be retired, etc..c'est la vie, tbh..
    Can't predict the future but I trust the Spurs FO to make moves to keep them close. They already have a top 5 player in the NBA barely 26 yrs old that doesn't rely on speed/quickness. Kawhi's game should age well. I'm just saying next year should be a compe ive transition year. They have to throw Murray in the fire instead of walking out Parkers corpse for 25 minutes a night. I think Parker will start the season as the starting PG, but I think Murray will be given the keys by the AS break.

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    Who knows, but I'm praying PATFO doesn't pay Deadman</3 instead....

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    Can't predict the future but I trust the Spurs FO to make moves to keep them close. They already have a top 5 player in the NBA barely 26 yrs old that doesn't rely on speed/quickness. Kawhi's game should age well. I'm just saying next year should be a compe ive transition year. They have to throw Murray in the fire instead of walking out Parkers corpse for 25 minutes a night. I think Parker will start the season as the starting PG, but I think Murray will be given the keys by the AS break.
    Murray has to be the starter sooner than that imo, unless the Spurs do acquire Rose on the cheap or perhaps even Holiday/Hill. I know PATFO love Tony but there's no way they can trot him out as a starter after how bad he's been this year. They prolly would've benched him already but the alternatives aren't much better.

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    Pray Mills doesn't leave and the Spurs continue to develop Murray. Parker can go kick rocks

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    I am by no means a Parker hater. I respect the guy and his legacy. He's somewhere between the 4th and 6th best Spur to ever play the game and will be in the HOF.

    That said, I do wonder if next year, with an expiring contract, if the Spurs might trade him or do somesort of salary dump to clear space. Parker's on court play will be of little value but an expiring contract is an expiring contract. Would Pop and RC do it? Yeah, I think they might.

    As far as the solution. Well, that's not so easy. You sign a mid-tier guy and hope he blossoms in the Spurs system. Or you throw Murray into the mix. Or you spend on Patty and make him the starter (meh). Pop and RC are the best at plugging holes. Replacing TD was the priority last summer. Next summer may be harder depending on who opts out and who opts in. With TP in freefall, Manu and Patty and Simmons all possibly gone our guard rotations are up in the air. It would have been nice if Forbes had shown signs of being Patty jr, but he hasn't.

    Or you sign a 2 guard or combo guard that's there for D and turn Kawhi into a point forward. .

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    Can't predict the future but I trust the Spurs FO to make moves to keep them close. They already have a top 5 player in the NBA barely 26 yrs old that doesn't rely on speed/quickness. Kawhi's game should age well. I'm just saying next year should be a compe ive transition year. They have to throw Murray in the fire instead of walking out Parkers corpse for 25 minutes a night. I think Parker will start the season as the starting PG, but I think Murray will be given the keys by the AS break.
    I would much rather see the Spurs hand the keys to Murray at the start of the season.

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    Wanting to pay Mills 50 millions when the road to the le goes through Golden State ..
    Who is the alternative then? Parker, Green, and Murray would be our backcourt with Simmons maybe coming back and Manu possibly retiring. People killing the spurs guard rotation now, we would be much worse off with out Mills

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    I am by no means a Parker hater. I respect the guy and his legacy. He's somewhere between the 4th and 6th best Spur to ever play the game and will be in the HOF.

    That said, I do wonder if next year, with an expiring contract, if the Spurs might trade him or do somesort of salary dump to clear space. Parker's on court play will be of little value but an expiring contract is an expiring contract. Would Pop and RC do it? Yeah, I think they might.

    As far as the solution. Well, that's not so easy. You sign a mid-tier guy and hope he blossoms in the Spurs system. Or you throw Murray into the mix. Or you spend on Patty and make him the starter (meh). Pop and RC are the best at plugging holes. Replacing TD was the priority last summer. Next summer may be harder depending on who opts out and who opts in. With TP in freefall, Manu and Patty and Simmons all possibly gone our guard rotations are up in the air. It would have been nice if Forbes had shown signs of being Patty jr, but he hasn't.

    Or you sign a 2 guard or combo guard that's there for D and turn Kawhi into a point forward. .
    Tony is barely up to a role as towel-waver. You don't pay $15MM for that. PATFO really has to cut bait.

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    I am by no means a Parker hater. I respect the guy and his legacy. He's somewhere between the 4th and 6th best Spur to ever play the game and will be in the HOF.

    That said, I do wonder if next year, with an expiring contract, if the Spurs might trade him or do somesort of salary dump to clear space. Parker's on court play will be of little value but an expiring contract is an expiring contract. Would Pop and RC do it? Yeah, I think they might.

    As far as the solution. Well, that's not so easy. You sign a mid-tier guy and hope he blossoms in the Spurs system. Or you throw Murray into the mix. Or you spend on Patty and make him the starter (meh). Pop and RC are the best at plugging holes. Replacing TD was the priority last summer. Next summer may be harder depending on who opts out and who opts in. With TP in freefall, Manu and Patty and Simmons all possibly gone our guard rotations are up in the air. It would have been nice if Forbes had shown signs of being Patty jr, but he hasn't.

    Or you sign a 2 guard or combo guard that's there for D and turn Kawhi into a point forward. .
    Tony isn't going anywhere. Best case is he's coming off the bench. He said he wants to play till he's 40...

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    Who is the alternative then? Parker, Green, and Murray would be our backcourt with Simmons maybe coming back and Manu possibly retiring. People killing the spurs guard rotation now, we would be much worse off with out Mills
    Hanga is likely coming over. Then theres the draft and also maybe another diamond in the rough find like how Jaren Jackson, Stephen Jackson, Neal, Green, Simmons were.

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    I would much rather see the Spurs hand the keys to Murray at the start of the season.
    Me too.

    Im just trying to be realistic and say by AS break. I think they slowly let reality hit Tony.

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    Me too.

    Im just trying to be realistic and say by AS break. I think they slowly let reality hit Tony.
    Reality is hitting them as we speak tbh. Last year they didn't have a clear alternative to Parker but with Murray on board the Spurs have a clear avenue to progress to the post-Parker era. If they fail to make the change early next year (or bring in a new starting PG) then it's clear incompetence on their part and we'll know for sure PATFO have lost the plot.

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    it's clear incompetence on their part and we'll know for sure PATFO have lost the plot.
    There's nothing incompetent about PATFO. They've had priorites and have done a of a job with this team. The last two years they've had to get talent (LMA) to put next to Kawhi, resign Danny, Kawhi and rebuild the bench. Then last year they had to find a TD replacement and rebuild the bench yet again. Both those were higher priority than Tony (and even so two recent #1 picks Murray and KA were point guards). The fact that we're contending shows they've done well. Now, is it time to address, sure. But it was a reasonable hope that Tony could hang on until those other needs were addressed or that Patty might become starter-worthy or that one of Murray, Forbes, KA, or Simmons would blossom into a keeper in the guard rotation.

    The mentality on this site is always - "If the team has a weakness, someone in the front office, must have screwed up." i don't agree. Just maintaining contender status takes a of a lot or work and a little luck. RC has done as well as could possibly be reasonably expected.

    It is a shame a few years ago when Tony was at the tail end of his prime (and making All NBA teams) when we had TOO many pgs in the line: CJ, Decolo, Patty, Neal. Now, the cupboard is bare but its not incompetence, just simply you can't solve all problems at all times.

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    Hanga is likely coming over. Then theres the draft and also maybe another diamond in the rough find like how Jaren Jackson, Stephen Jackson, Neal, Green, Simmons were.
    Isn't Hanga a SF? What's he coming over for, with Kyle and Bertrans for the already limited mins behind Kawhi.

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    Isn't Hanga a SF? What's he coming over for, with Kyle and Bertrans for the already limited mins behind Kawhi.
    Hes a SG. Simmons and Manu may be gone. Maybe just one of the two. Either way if its just one or both, hes one if best defensive players overseas and hed fill in depth at the two.

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    There's nothing incompetent about PATFO. They've had priorites and have done a of a job with this team. The last two years they've had to get talent (LMA) to put next to Kawhi, resign Danny, Kawhi and rebuild the bench. Then last year they had to find a TD replacement and rebuild the bench yet again. Both those were higher priority than Tony (and even so two recent #1 picks Murray and KA were point guards). The fact that we're contending shows they've done well. Now, is it time to address, sure. But it was a reasonable hope that Tony could hang on until those other needs were addressed or that Patty might become starter-worthy or that one of Murray, Forbes, KA, or Simmons would blossom into a keeper in the guard rotation.

    The mentality on this site is always - "If the team has a weakness, someone in the front office, must have screwed up." i don't agree. Just maintaining contender status takes a of a lot or work and a little luck. RC has done as well as could possibly be reasonably expected.

    It is a shame a few years ago when Tony was at the tail end of his prime (and making All NBA teams) when we had TOO many pgs in the line: CJ, Decolo, Patty, Neal. Now, the cupboard is bare but its not incompetence, just simply you can't solve all problems at all times.
    CJ and Neal were never starting material, tbh... and they just weren't worth putting the cash there when their contracts were up. De Colo, IIRC, asked to be traded. What makes me question Pop throwing Murray into the fire next season is that, IIRC, when they had a 'sure' guy they felt right about (Kawhi), Pop started him 39 games in his first season. Murray has barely seen the court. I think they're taking the long road with him, but we'll see.

    I think there's a number of variables that can change depending if they're able to retain Patty or not, if a Pop-favorite like Hill is interested to re-join the team, Manu retiring, etc.

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    Tony needs a career ender, there I said it. That's the only way he'll get off this team.

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    It's Warriors time right now ( like it was ours in the 00's) and we are the Suns/Mavs of the mid 00's. It is what is it.
    Interesting analogy...but will they win 5 chips like we did? Let's see.

    Also they haven't eliminated us from the playoffs since 1991.

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